sorry, i think i wasnt clear crazy I dont have any objection to your post and as i said, it certainly is something to consider right now. I tried to include on the list only things that should be considered over the long run, as opposed to a current and limited situation (even tho of course it could be what causes the prob) or try to cover every possible security issue. Hopefully, adding to go look for patches for everything would aim them into looking into possible security/manufacturer's glitches. My intent was to list some things that seem to generally apply so they can be checked first.

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