exactly the point i was tryin to make why include something like that in a release if its so simple to make anyways thru scripting .... and use of ctcp which really id tend to say thats where that should be rather than in a whois to begin with that way if u choose not to use it u simply dont add that lil tidbit of script to ur mirc instead of tryin to modify a standard protocal thats been in place since possibly before mirc