hehe, yeah, I have to say I do agree with a lot of what you've stated in your last post except for the fact that the 3 lines of CTCP would not be easy enough for the 90% of IRC users you mentioned to use. One of my arguements was that if the CTCP code or other form of code were a clickable option, then ppl would be more willing to use it because of them seeing that it's an available option and is something that they would understand. And most ppl aren't that incapable of using and exploring options within mIRC, have seen a great many ppl learn to use it with and without the help of others whether its over-the-shoulder, online, or self help manuals or exploration. Am sure if that were an option, it would get its fair share of use. As far as rooms with age range or location and such in common, yeah, you're right..... but can't possibly catagorize everything....such as the diff between #25+freinds and #25+ bikers or #25+chefs or #25+mothers, etc. as opposed to #45+bikers, #55+mothers, etc. Not that it's really a major issue or anything, but could identify ppl by age, sex, or location within application specific rooms (if option is chosen) without havin to resort to creating different #Harley rooms by age, gender, or location. Now I know that's all quite a bit extreme, but the point is that it would just be another tool to help distinguish and identify ppl if they so desire. I am confident that many ppl would use such an option if it were available in an easy to configure format such as a checkbox and a tri-series of info boxes. (which I know is already easy for us regardless, but am talkin easy for them, the 90% you quoted earlier.) but hell, am gonna give it a rest for a while..... personally I don't need it but would like to have the option and have it become more universal, just as I don't need background images, colored nicks, sounds, popup menus, notify lists, and file transfers, but is available to all and I like to use them. Is no big loss not to have it, but don't see any (real) downside to having either. Later all.