thats kind of what i figured (not so technically tho cool)

i moved all menu structures from the remotes to the popups, which means theres no more dynamic meus, only one defined for each popup section.

everything ran fine all day when i hardly used it, this evening when i started using menus it locked up as before.

so not using dynamic popups doesnt appear to have helped.

any further ideas qould be gratfully received (PLEASE) confused