mIRC Home    About    Download    Register    News    Help

Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145792 28/03/06 08:32 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
anss Offline OP
Ameglian cow
OP Offline
Ameglian cow
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
why is this enabled as a default option? i think if people wanted to send something privatly they would. In my 6+ years of IRC, ive never witnessed a situation where !nickname needed to be sent as a private message. Though ive run into the problem with commands being ignored because of it.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145793 28/03/06 08:54 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,252
R
RusselB Offline
Hoopy frood
Offline
Hoopy frood
R
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,252
I don't know what situations you've come across that this option has caused trouble with, but the setting is easy enough to turn off.
1) Go to mIRC Options - Sounds - Requests
2) uncheck Send '!nick file' as private message
3) Click OK

I think the reason it's on by default, is so that if you're wanting to request a sound file from another person on the channel, you can do so without interrupting the conversation in the channel.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145794 28/03/06 10:13 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
anss Offline OP
Ameglian cow
OP Offline
Ameglian cow
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
believe me ive learned how to disable it over time. that has nothing to do with the problem.

When you are in a channel that is dedicated to sending commands, you dont want PMS from people typing !nick.

Channels dedicated to commands are very common.

Channels dedicated to conversation, that have a problem with people typing specifically "!Nick" in the channel, is not common enough to warrent a default command in mirc.

Why would people be typing !nick in a conversation channel so often that you need to have an option added to MIRC and have it enabled by default? it baffles me

its a problem for channels dedicated to using commands. you cant explain to everyone how to disable it.

Perhaps back in the day this option was helpful. Today, where !command channels are common, it is a problem

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145795 28/03/06 10:48 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,252
R
RusselB Offline
Hoopy frood
Offline
Hoopy frood
R
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,252
I'm on 4 networks and have seen bots that use ! commands quite often, but I can't remember the last time I saw a bot that had a command of !RusselB

In my experience the commands that use the ! on a bot are common things, like !help, !commands, !rules, etc.

If you know of a room on a network where there would be trouble with someone using !RusselB (presuming that I was in the room and using RusselB for my nick (which is a default nick for me)) then I would like to know what room and on what network.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145796 28/03/06 11:07 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
anss Offline OP
Ameglian cow
OP Offline
Ameglian cow
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
RusselB, if !nick wasnt common, then why is there an option that is enabled by default to send !nick as a private message? Its either useless, or a pain in the !!


!nick is used in a channel that has 10s, or even HUNDREDS of bots, each with differnt information.

If you want to request something from a specific user, you type !nick <information>. If you were to type !information, 100 bots would respond, and we wouldnt want that.

I would give you the location of one such chan, but then id have to kill you. sorry

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145797 28/03/06 11:37 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,252
R
RusselB Offline
Hoopy frood
Offline
Hoopy frood
R
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,252
Quote:
I would give you the location of one such chan, but then id have to kill you. sorry
Talk about a lame excuse for not providing simple information for verification purposes.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145798 28/03/06 12:09 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,024
M
Mentality Offline
Hoopy frood
Offline
Hoopy frood
M
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,024
I don't really see the need to "verify" anything, it's a feature request. If this person says such a circumstance arises when they are using IRC there's no need to investigate it in my opinion.

Anyway, whilst such an option doesn't negatively effect my IRC sessions, I equally don't think it's an option useful enough to have it as default. Out of interest, what does <information> contain? I mean, the message after !nick has to end in a file type (i.e. .mp3) for it to be sent as a private message. If you just sent "!nick sendinfo" or whatever, then mIRC won't send it as a private message. It would have to be a rather rare/specific circumstance for this to actually be a pain for a large number of people.

Regards,


Mentality/Chris
Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145799 28/03/06 12:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 681
M
mIRCManiac Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
M
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 681
Yes it would be great for this to be disabled by default.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145800 28/03/06 02:41 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
anss Offline OP
Ameglian cow
OP Offline
Ameglian cow
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
!Nick filename is not rare i promise you. Thousands of people at all times use it for sharing files and other information. In the moments it took me to type out this message, hundreds of !nicks were sent on IRC. Many of which are probably illegal transfers, but thats not what this request is about.

Im sure youve seen the @find and !nick <file> scripts that are around. The !nick filename has developed into a standard.

Im developing an addon with the same idea. I would have liked to have stuck with the origional !nick thing because thats what everyone knows. Obviously ill have to use something else, but i just dont understand why this is enabled by default. It just causes conflicts and is good for absolutley nothing.

Last edited by anus; 28/03/06 02:46 PM.
Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145801 28/03/06 08:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 546
J
jaytea Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
J
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 546
yah this should be disabled by default imo.. it even threw me when i first came across the feature in an mp3 channel, and a complete noob would most likely not realize what's going on and how to fix it


"The only excuse for making a useless script is that one admires it intensely" - Oscar Wilde
Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145802 28/03/06 09:40 PM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
S
Skip Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
S
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
Quote:
The !nick filename has developed into a standard.


Perhaps whoever developed this 'standard' should have taken more time to investigate any incompatibilities.

As you indicated, the !nick <command> exists to request a common command off a unique client to reduce being bombarded by many clients running the same script/program. The obvious 'next step' to this problem is to not have the command shown to other clients at all.

This is of course the 'logical thing', but as we're all well aware where the majority of these commands are going, logic there is about as rare as an untrojaned file.

Lets pay homage to those great people in their wonderful channels who think the level of text scroll in channel is proportional to their level of 'l33tness', who not only ignore but persist in breaking the solutions.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145803 28/03/06 09:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 681
M
mIRCManiac Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
M
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 681
Don't be an ass. This is a mIRC feature that is fine but
should not be enabled by default. It has been the standard
because this is what mIRC itself listens for when accepting
sound requests, therefore it became the standard method
of requesting files with file sharing scripts. It's a simple
request to disable this by default in future versions.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145804 29/03/06 08:34 AM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
S
Skip Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
S
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
Quote:
It's a simple request to disable this by default in future versions.


Sure, and the OP still has problems with older default configurations and clients that enable the feature. The far quicker and more effective solution would be to modify these faceless bots to accept the command over private message.

The intended feature seems to be working just fine with the current default configuration, so what purpose would changing it serve?

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145805 29/03/06 12:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 681
M
mIRCManiac Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
M
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 681
Quote:
The far quicker and more effective solution would be to modify these
faceless bots to accept the command over private message.


lol are you high? Noone is asking for the feature to be
removed or changed, just to be disabled by default.

It seems as though you and many others on these boards
think a feature suggestion or bug report that happens to
have something to do with file sharing should automatically
be ignored or denied. I can see that way of thinking if
someone asked for a built-in file list generator, or a built-in
send queing system, or a built-in @find system, but this is
not the case, all these can be, and always have been done
with scripts, this is only a request to disable by default, an
already existing feature in mIRC.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145806 29/03/06 06:28 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
anss Offline OP
Ameglian cow
OP Offline
Ameglian cow
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
I expect input from people who would be effected by the change, good or bad. Not random remarks from bot racists.

Its a very simple request. No need to fight it unless youre effected by it being disabled

The point is that theres no reason to have it enabled by default. FOrget i even spoke about SCRIPTS. Still the same problem applies to the built in feature.

If someone were typing !nick so often that the option would come in handy, they can simply enable it. They lose nothing by not enabling it. They dont need to know the option even exists, and can send it via private message.

On the other hand, for someone who needs to send to the channel, and know nothing about the option, there is a problem.

Even the readme makes it sound like its meant to be off by default.

"Send !nick file as private message
If this option is turned off and you send the message !nick file to a channel, everyone on the channel will see it. if you prefer not to crowd the channel with these messages, you can turn this option on and the user will receive the message privately."

Let the channels, and people who are actually serving the files decide what should be sent to them in a private message, not the irc client by default.

Like jaytea said, its very confusing. It happened to me and it confused me for a good while. I was looking through all of the scripts i had loaded, and just could not figure it out. The last thing i thought of was that there was actually an option that sends specifically !nick as a private message.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145807 29/03/06 09:51 PM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
S
Skip Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
S
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
Selective reading is a problem:

Quote:
The intended feature seems to be working just fine with the current default configuration, so what purpose would changing it serve?


I'm not one of those blindly-shun-all-file-sharing people you see on these boards, however where a feature seems to only benefit this, where it already works fine as is, I think changing it sends the wrong message. Yes all it is is disabling something by default, but for what purpose?


Quote:
Its a very simple request. No need to fight it unless youre effected by it being disabled

Yet we skip around the issue of exactly who is effected by it being enabled, and why mIRC should make an effort to further accommodate those people.

But yeah, as you both want to resort to criticising people rather than their input, whatever.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145808 30/03/06 12:11 AM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,230
D
DaveC Offline
Hoopy frood
Offline
Hoopy frood
D
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,230
I have read most of the arguements above etc by most people, and while i wouldnt care if it was turned on or off by defualt, as i can just set it myself. I would guess that alot of people who use this feature on channels that use it, would have no idea how to set it on or off, and have no idea it is even a feature.
The idea of just changing its default setting i find unfoundered as it would be effecting all the people mentioned above, and all channels that expected it to be on by default.
And one of your arguements was becuase someone has written there bot (carelessly) and used a in channel trigger that mimics a known existing internal function of mirc, thus you want the function disabled by default.
That would be as bad as me complaining that my custom $nick identifier that adds [ ] around the passed $1 should be by default called just becuase im upset its not working, i mean ON *:TEXT:*:?: { echo -at $nick($nick) $1- } should work damn it! :-Z

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145809 30/03/06 02:35 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
anss Offline OP
Ameglian cow
OP Offline
Ameglian cow
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
ive explained many times why its annoying, and why its better off disabled, and ive explained who it effects. Anyone who has experience with the option knows exactly what im talking about. You know nothing about it

Last edited by anus; 30/03/06 02:39 AM.
Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145810 30/03/06 08:39 AM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
S
Skip Offline
Fjord artisan
Offline
Fjord artisan
S
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 349
Quote:
ive explained many times why its annoying, and why its better off disabled, and ive explained who it effects. Anyone who has experience with the option knows exactly what im talking about. You know nothing about it

Apparantly "its a problem for channels dedicated to using commands", the very channels that you can't tell us about because you'd 'have to kill us'. You've made it clear who this change is meant to benefit.

Quote:
believe me ive learned how to disable it over time. that has nothing to do with the problem.

And legitimate users don't need to disable it in the first place, but you've had no problems changing it so why would they? You've made it clear who this change is of no benefit.

Quote:
Many of which are probably illegal transfers, but thats not what this request is about.

Your request is about making mIRC compliment something mIRC itself, and IRC as a chat medium, was not intended for.

Quote:
Let the channels, and people who are actually serving the files decide what should be sent to them in a private message, not the irc client by default.

Let the channels and people serving files find a proper application for file sharing.

Re: remove "!nickname sent as private message" #145811 30/03/06 12:09 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
anss Offline OP
Ameglian cow
OP Offline
Ameglian cow
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 38
no the reason i wont post it here is because i dont want you, or anyone else there. Its private. I dont know what youre on about, and i dont know what you mean by "legitimate users".

Illegal sharing isnt allowed. You know how we keep people from sharing illegal things?

PUBLIC COMMANDS!!

i dont understand the meaning behind your input. I dont know if youre trying to convince me that this option doesnt cause problems? I posted the request because it does. im not confused about it, but thank you for your ideas

Page 1 of 2 1 2