lol, i understand what ur saying about the policies, but if i woulda described it diff, maybe changed a couple things in the code, u wouldnt have a prob helpn me, say if i said it just keeps in a database how many vowels each person in my channel has said and it removes ppl that it hasnt seen talk in 48 hrs or more, but it wasnt removing sum, and pasted my code, u'd b glad to help, but im not arguing jus makin a point. thx fer ur time.