I totally agree with you shatter, Many of the so called Lamers are the most talkative on any network...the real lamers are the anti-social, complaing, idling, users that just think they are elite-users...But at anyrate does it matter whos the best? The way i've always looked at it...as long as you have a place to chat amongst your friends it dont matter which network is the best...i thought this was supposed to be IRC not IRComplain its not a competition on whose the best....its what the chatters make it out to be and if its all idling then more power to ya....i just thought id reply to ya Shatter cause ya make a hell of alot of sense