thank you so much. it will mean a lot to my friend if we can get this going. my friend is using mirc 5.91, the same version i have - she just took a copy of my install package (unregistered). she doesn't have access to the gateway at the school. she has tried many of the servers listed in the install package, both as host.domain name and ip addresses. dns seems always to be working for her and she knows how to get the ip address from a host name.