cleared it and no help. It seems too much of a coincidence to not be related to the 9/30 cert that expired.

KindOne says he doesnt have the problem, so still not sure what's the common denominator among those where it's failing. Libera admins say their cert is using the root cert that expires 2035, and that cert and the 9/30 cert both appear in my list of root certs, and i don't see how the win10 is describing those certs differently than win7 does, and the other guy here running win10 can't find any cause either