Forums General Discussion Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet?

Of course Undernet
Undernet Rulz
or not?

There is no BEST IRC network. Each has its own benefits for users.
Some users prefere small networks, others want large networks. Some want IRC networks with Services support for channel and nick name registrations, others dislike it.
Some users use it just for chatting others use it as a place to communicate about different topics or search for information on those topics.
This is one reason for different types of IRC networks. Choose the one which best suits your personal needs.

Best in what regards? DALnet is the best when it comes to oper/user communication and services. Undernet is best when it comes to security. Efnet just plain sucks. No services, oper vhosts, too much vanity kills, and way too many kills for personal reasons. Then again, that's why other networks exist, because of Efnet's corruption. I could also go on to say why my network rules, but your topic covers only the 3.

I agree what Merlin said.

GlobIRC :tongue:

so it's rather ridiculous to 'argue' over which is 'best'. Please don't let this turn into a spam for all of the servers out there. Consider the one you use to be the best and be happy.

As much as I love to hate DALnet I feel it is the best because its my lil home :-)
With their problems lately, it is not entirely their fault and the kiddies should just leave it alone. The network wouldn't have such a bad name for being a network that splits, has 'evil' users and such if people were just mature about their actions.

Thats my two cents ;-)

People, mature? You are asking too much, my friend. =)

Well They Are All Good but it depends on the stability of the servers...I cant say much cept about Chatnet which is not as stable yet because K9 isnt up an running yet....i havent found anything that appeals to me personally except a brand new network called AdultChatnet but they have a website up called http://www.adultchatnet.org this really new and in the beginning stages and it uses Chanserv...Nickserv...yada yada...i decided to give it a try there myself....i have a good feeling about this one...but it depend on if anyone would dare attempt to try to make it "home" so to speak...but in my personal opinion a Network is the best depending on how the Chatters make it......thanks for hearing me out everyone....and if ya do try AdultChatnet look me up at #Adult_Hangout.....its a new room as well!

The message board is not an advertising center for new networks. Thanks for respecting these rules.

Any network with over 5,000 people seems to get stuck on a downward spiral of flood, spam, lag, netsplits, DDoS, takeover kids, etc.

I don't personally like to be on any networks with over 1,000 people, so I'd pick neither. Although, EFnet would be my pick out of all of them since I know a lot of people on their that are pretty smart.

I agree with Grimz
I've always loved grassroots servers
it's not uncommon on dal to join a room with 300+ users
hell thats like a server right there how are you suppose to meet people and have a meaningfull conversation?
that and I prefer to pad my ego by staying in channels with a small number of n00bs.

The best network is the one you own, you can do whatever you want :tongue:

Let the numbers speak from themselves http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/

To me, DALnet is the best IRC network, hands down. And I'm entitled to my opinion.

None of the above. Simple. I'm a former big four chatter. Emphasising the word 'former'...

The message board is not an advertising center for new networks. Thanks for respecting these rules.

I thought the rule was simply "No advertising" yet Dalnet is quoted here with a passion by many.

Mentioning the name of a network, be it EFnet, DALnet, PickYourOwnnet isnt advertising... kinda hard to post/answer any network specific questions without refering to the network or related urls that have info about the problem.

Think we have to use some logic.. if i get on here and say HEY, i have my own network, come see me at spam.server.sum.net, or i made this wondermous channel, come see me at blahblahnet, thats totally diff than me asking why <insert sumfin here> happens on Somenet. Rather like when a user asks a question related to a specific OS, it isnt spamming that OS.

Ever since the boards started, there have been specific questions about many networks. Yes, it does seem that DALnet,EFnet, and GamesNet are most often mentioned. Right now DAL is having a lot probs, so it isnt surprising there are many posts here about them. (of course, if ppl used the search feature there wouldnt be as many :tongue: ) Are you saying we should ignore giving them an url to find their answers just because its a networks url? Should users post generic "i cant connect" without telling us the network, when the prob could be only on that specific network? Giving an url where ppl can read detailed help info at their leisure is a far cry from posting an url cause you want everyone to grab some script the creator is all enthused over, as is posting a server/network just cause you want ppl to go to it.

Personally, i include the network where i can be found in #mIRC in my signature because so many ppl who post here go there for clarification. Especially for newbies, it can be much less stressful to get one on one "live time" help. Everyone has diff ways they learn best. The first time i went into a help channel, my eyes crossed and my head spun from the speed of posts about complicated stuff i had NO clue about.. had i seen a nick i recognized, i wouldnt have run outa there so fast, lol

Where is the place where lamers don't prosper? Which of the IRC networks is the wisest, most suitable for intelligent conversations?

I guess we all know.

"Where is the place where lamers don't prosper? Which of the IRC networks is the wisest, most suitable for intelligent conversations?"

Typing or being grandiose on IRC does not make you special.
For your information, those you are referring to as "lamers" are actually the most talkative IRC users there is, and those who you think are "elite users" are nothing but idlers, wanna-be cool, anti-social people. Idling and having ops in a million channels doesn't make you cool, and not having ops in any "major" channels doesn't make you a lamer either, thank you.

I didn't say anything about ops vs non-ops or talking vs idling.

My post was about people whom it's interesting to talk to. "Elite users", as I you call them, are too mature to swear or flood. They are well-educated, polite and friendly.

Of course, an entire network cannot be homogeneous. There will be mp3, porn and warez channels, but "in average", it's well-known which of the major networks attracts thinking people, and which has become a lamer-pool.

I totally agree with you shatter, Many of the so called Lamers are the most talkative on any network...the real lamers are the anti-social, complaing, idling, users that just think they are elite-users...But at anyrate does it matter whos the best? The way i've always looked at it...as long as you have a place to chat amongst your friends it dont matter which network is the best...i thought this was supposed to be IRC not IRComplain its not a competition on whose the best....its what the chatters make it out to be and if its all idling then more power to ya....i just thought id reply to ya Shatter cause ya make a hell of alot of sense

I agree entirely, The Game. To me, lamers are the people that are supposedly there to help you (services/admin) who then tell you they can't/won't do anything about the very things they are there to help with. And I'm not talking about them getting into channel 'politics' either. Like you say, they sit there for hours on end idling away looking 'cool', and give sarcastic replies and comments when they do finally deign to speak to you. I'm not suggesting that all admin/service types are like that - just enough of them to put people off asking for help. Maybe that's why so many people come to this board for help? And of course, another type of lamer is your script kiddie, hacker, flooder, spammer sort. The so-called unintelligent lamers that I think someone mentioned earlier in this thread are, imho, what keeps IRC afloat. And just remember, we were all noobs once. It's interesting that in some circles, a noob = a lamer. In respect of the 'best' network, it's the one where you feel comfortable chatting, the one where your friends are etc etc.

Within any group, there are good and bad. I dont know of any one group that gets more abuse than server/admin/IRCops. Are they all hard working and responsible? of course not..they are ppl, and ppl will be ppl. Many who look "idle" are in fact working behind the scenes so to speak, to keep their servers and networks running and trying to get rid of the problem kiddies. For every one person who politely msgs them with a legitimate prob, there are tons who are verbally abusive and expecting things that arent allowed/dont need an IRCop to deal with. Many networks have channels where ppl can go to find help with services probs, to find an oper and have websites with info.

I dunno how cheery i would be to the 200th person who msgd me yelling "i gave him my password and now he stole my nick. you make him give it back you &^%$ (*&^%" And lets not forget the ones who follow them around to diff channels posting and msging constantly declaring their undying love, or how they are ever so wondermous and simply MUST be given IRCop status themselves right this very minute. Gee, that must be just tons of fun when you are in the middle of trying to solve a real prob.

To me, lamers are those who are rude, abusive, dont follow the rules, spam/invite and in general try to spoil IRC for everyone else. OK, lets add on the ones who go into help channels, ask a question, are given a source/command to show the info and then tell you "Just TELL me you stupid *&^%, i dont wanna READ it". There are many days when i wonder what happened to common courtesty

Oops! I didn't mean to imply that they were all bad...I know how hard most Opers work 'behind the scenes', and I realise that they are the biggest target for abuse. I meant those Opers for whom answering a 'simple', politely put question is too much trouble - and the sarcasm and 'I am better than you' attitude that goes with it. They're not gods, they're people just like the rest of us and can have good and bad days like anyone else. But there still is no need to be rude to someone who is genuinely seeking their help, or merely even speaking to them. A case in point is one particular occasion when an IRCop joined the channel and was asked for age (channel rules, it's an over 18 room). The op who asked didn't know this person was an IRCop. She was met with "Don't f***ing start with me". With Opers like that, it's not surprising that some of us don't want to ask for help from them, if that's the reaction to a simple request.

Where is the place where lamers don't prosper? Which of the IRC networks is the wisest, most suitable for intelligent conversations?

I would say there's good and bad on most networks.

Mentioning the name of a network, be it EFnet, DALnet, PickYourOwnnet isnt advertising...

If this is the case then why are other users here being hammered for advertising? All they did is do what you say is quite okay.

From a personal point of view I agree with what you said (except your not-half-obvious and completely inaccurate catagorisation of my website), however this is my point - people here have mentioned networks that arn't part of the big four so it's taken by some as "Hey come here". Further evidence is that some now refer to "the big five" now that Quake has said to Dalnet "Thanks for keeping our seat warm". It's almost like Dalnet is IRC's holy grail.

Lets have some consistency here.

I most certainly was NOT making reference, veiled or otherwise, to your site or anyone else's specifically. Rest assured if i had meant my comments to be about your site or posts specifially, i would have clearly said so. Many urls and script lines here are helpful to ppl, but there have also been attempts to put up those that could hurt them. And to be sure you dont again misinterpret, i am NOT referring to you.

Saying "i am having a prob on suchandsuch a network" is, to me, a far cry from saying "hey, i just started a new network/channel, come see it". Every post is subject to the readers interpretation, and if some see the first as spam, i personally dont agree. Some perhaps think saying "gee, on my network, suchandsuch.net, and in my channel #sumfin, we dont have that problem" is a cute lil way to spam. I, and all the readers, have to use their own judgement as to the person's intent.

Since this board's inception, i have referred users to many different networks websites, and posted the url if i have it handy..even googling it in order to do so. Since each network has its own specifics and problems, their website is in many cases the best resource the poster can utilize. Likewise, when referring ppl to sites like symantec and trendmicro, imo, that is giving them resources for info/prob solving, not spamming those sites. Its hardly surprising that there are more questions about the "Big Five".

"It's almost like Dalnet is IRC's holy grail" yegawds! with the majority of posts about DAL being related to probs with identd and connecting, i hardly think that qualifies as good PR.
If i were new to mIRC and wandering this forum, my reaction would prolly be, uhuh, not going there, too many probs.