Good point. BUT- there are NO rules on what can be downloaded, and what can be used on the network. Kazzaa and other P2P progs are permittied and not capped, or are capped at a low speed, but they said that the IRC clients are permitted, but i did not ask why i can not download. Its not against policy or anything, i checked on that previously, i believe its soemthign with their firewall setup in that area, not nesscessarily with IRC itself, can uexplain to me wat proxy,socks 4 and socks5 is? thanks.