well like mine for instance. without getting port forwarding,i can't enjoy mirc. or on the other hand if mirc didn't work at all,already i know it could be a server split or maybe they are temporarily closing mirc to make sure everything is running properly. if i post the question there,i won't post more then once because i figure it is something within the program. it's that kind of thing. but anyway,it's no biggie because as i said i got the ports forwarded so i guess i'll move on now. thanks.