I'm not against the grip thing on the switchbar, but why does it have to be so ugly? mIRC looks like something for Win 3.1. Regardless of whether you like the WinXP theme stuff (and I know many people hate it), mIRC should be able to support it. The grip in 6.1 looks stupid in an XP style GUI. I still say the mIRC toolbar should be ditched and Khaled should just use the windows builtin toolbar control. That would even further do what you said. There would be less code in mIRC, therefore more stability. Windows would handle all the stuff concerning the toolbar rather than having mIRC have to handle all the code. Plus, it means the toolbar actually looks like the toolbar in 99% of the other programs available.