All great things require discipline to master.

Just because the untrained programmer requires structure and restraint to be forced upon him, does not mean those with dicipline are without self emposed structure and restraint.

Your argument that "people who use /goto don't know what they're doing, and will always fail." reminds me of the paranoid mother who says "You'll shoot your eye out."

- Raccoon

Well. At least I won lunch.
Good philosophy, see good in bad, I like!