Thanks to you both. To the one, as I say searching for MIRC revealed nothing so there is no folder called mirc. Mric seames to be installed directly into the system32 folder. Unfortunaly I have norton 2003 and updated and scanned with no results. I did eventually find the exe taskmngr, not a name I would have associated with a irc, but it did have the Mirc icon. It is now deleted, but deleting is a messy way of dealing with unwanted software, and is a good way of fragmenting an already unstable drive. The idea of a trojan is dicomforting, but One is hoping your specualtions are wrong and Norton did its job, it seams I have little option other than hope as I can think of little other option. If there is no Trojan and Mirc simply installed itself into the system32 directory with no uninstall option I think i will have to have a word with the writer of v5.7; I had already contacted him anyhow when I realized the extent of my problem. It SEAMS irrisponible software, but I could be off base. EIther way it makes me very leary of useing any IRC especailly Mirc in the future. Trillian is fine for chatting and though I was interested in the other advantages of IRC's for a future endeavor I think I shall take this as a warning, doubly so with my post being one of two similure complaints about it in less then 24 hours. Again though many thanks for your input and advise. I have been on a few boards in my net life asking for advise. This place seams to be a ying to places like Arstechnica's Yang. Imagine people actually trying to help people who ask for it. Merry Met and Merry Part and again thanks