Forums General Discussion "Join the Global Protest against War"

I wish we could listen to our forum moderators. It's important to know their opinion.

If Russia thought that Australia had a bad leader and were developing nuclear weapons, would Russia have the right to wipe Australia off the planet without UN's allowance?

hehe. I suppose if Vladamir Putin thought a country of 500 million sheep, 200 million cattle, 18 million people, 50,000 cattledogs, 40,000 pubs (including the pub with no beer), a navy with about 20 warships, a gun battery under the Sydney Harbour Bridge with 8 '32 pounders' and two sentries outside the Victoria Barracks is a threat to Russia then I suppose he would try and attack us. But then again it would be well documented that John Howard is hardly a terrorist, any more than Vladamir Putin is.

The thing that does have me worried is the possibility that the crisis could escalate into a global conflict. Some countries (inluding allied nations) do oppose the US stance strongly enough for it to be a possibility. Having said that, I doubt the US or anyone else will or would involve nuclear weapons. The cost in terms of the existance of the human race depends on the hope that all nations will remain on the backfoot in this respect. A nuclear war would be won by no-one and lost by all 6 billion of us.

Sorry for that lousy example with Australia. I don't have anything against your country - I only tried to make you feel the problem as if it were your own.

Imagine you live in Bagdad. You know nothing about the "world stability" - you love your parents, your girlfriend. You respect your leader because everybody says he's great. How can you stop The Enemy from ruining your house, killing your relatives and friends, tearing your body apart with another sci-fi missile?

It's a mistake to think that the blood will be on GWB and Blair's hands only. It will also stain the hands of those who support war.

history and facts: iraq has tie to terrorist communities .... been proven time and time again ..... iraq as whole may not support its leaders thought but ..... do u judge a coutry on the belief of its ppl or the belief or the ppl in power???

thats a lovely photo .... but i will gaurantee that aint a photo the us government is banking on for thier conclusion ..... infact i just got done watching cnn and um the photo ur showing and the one they are showing is 2 different things ...... saddam is playing the UN for fools and maybe ppl are percieving the us to be a bull in a china shop ..... but ill tell u this ....... saddam is a madman and anyone who thinks differently is just plain insane ...... u can show me a hundred fuzzy photos ....... and im sure i can show u a hundred clear ones ..... point is ur gonna believe what u wanna ...... its great to think we live in a world of all common sense thinkers ..... unfortunatly we dont ...... to allow these ppl who make chemical weapons to even have control of a nation is stupid and outlandish ...... the us should walk right out of this whole mess and let all the nations around sadam figure it out since presantly sadam has nothing that can touch us soil without a terrist attempt being made ...... back out and let them all figure it out cause hell when sadam turns stupid and screws with u then we (the Us) can sit back and say hey its ok hes fine u all said so ....... sometimes stupidity is masked by beliefs and my thought is that anyone not supporting a war with iraq is just blind in believing things will change ....... this is the same man who a couple years ago took control of a small country neighboring him for OIL ...... and u ppl whined and complained then ...... now the us is tryin to step in and prevent him from having any weapons of mass destruction ( for a very good reason i may add) and u think we want his OIL???? u ppl kill me in the way u think ..... u are entitled to ur opinion but lets base it on fact and history and see whos right and wrong ..... pointing ur fingers at someone with a fuzzy photo isnt the way to prove ur mindset .... show historical proof and facts to base ur opinion on if u wanna sway ones mind .....

hell ive lost who im replyin to so ill reply to myself .... ya know after reading all these comments about all this its an equal stance of for and against this kinda thing ..... to go further into this ...... lets not doing anything at all to sadam for all this cause historical facts have shown him to be quite able to not attack others with his chemical weapons ...... nah he only reserves them for his own population ....... yes i did say his own population ...... nah hes not a mad man hes perfectly capable of having weapons that we cant find ..... i mean it makes no sense to put these weapons out were everyone can see em ...... that would be just stupid of sadam ....... so lets all cheer for the madman who is duped u all into thinking hes ok and that he wont launch an attack on any country ..... cause of cousrs he doesnt have these weapons that we can not find ..... of course ya all cant find santa at the north pole and kids still believe??

First off can I just point out one thing that's been killing me for weeks now: One full stop is all that's required. I think everyone on this board can see a full stop, seven or so is not necessary, really. Onwards...


- I have a notoriously bad memory, just remind me of one time when Iraq has been proven to aid terrorist 'communities'? As a whole, I think you'll find that the Iraqi people do support Saddam Hussein. Whether that support would continue if the Iraqi people knew the full story I don't know - to an extent the same question could be raised about G.W. and the American people.

I'm done. For once I'm not gonna go and out my thoughts on this because quite frankly I don't know the whole situation. I suspect that many of the people involved in this thread don't either. I'd be surprised if anyone really does know the full story what with all the bullshit that's getting thrown out by the sensationalist media and the various governments - all of which are giving out the 'truth' that shows them to be absolutely in the right.

First of all, that photo is just a parody of a popular card game...Secondly, this is about disarming a maniac whom threatens his people and the neighboring countries for i.e. cooperation with weapons inspectors, and dont forget the OIL! Saddam has in fact on many countless occasions, has been known to lie about posession of any weapons that could pose a threat to a nation or the world.

If this was about Oil, do you honestly think the US wouldnt have taken control of it by now? Thats whats basically being implied. The main purpose is to ensure that there is no threat of weapons of mass destruction especially from a country that would probably use them or for leverage. But lets not forget about all the other nuclear countries China, India, Korea, Russia, The United States....just to name a few.

Basically it all boils down to this. If Iraq has weapons that have been "evacuated" so that they aren't found by the inspectors, Would Saddam use them to his advantage or sell them to any terrorist network? Thats where the US have stepped in so that that scenario does not happen. Im sure that the iraqis do not want war but have to go on thinking that their leader is doing the right thing or he will kill them. Honestly i think hes trying to follow in hitlers footsteps by trying to become the most dominant nation....(note that i said trying)

People go on how well since Bush Sr. was in office and now that Jr. has taken office that he must follow in his daddys footsteps to start a war. Thats Bullshit. If the attacks on New York and Washington D.C. didn't happen then there wouldnt be a war on terrorism. Iraq came into play when intelligence pointed that
a. They were building weapons of mass destruction
b. They are buying/selling/ trading with certain terrorist networks
Do you honestly think Saddam is making chocolate chip cookies? Hell No! I believe he is hiding something from the world and if it takes war to find out what it is, so be it. Its just merely coincidental that both Bushes had to start a war. But the main purpose is to make sure that the events at Nagasaki and Hiroshima Do not happen again! As devastating as those events invoving the A-Bomb, and that the technology has evolved since. Imagine the destruction that did but with the magnitude of 10 times that!

Like i said before and i will say it again, This is just one big contest to see who has the biggest "prick". But with a cause LOL. I do in fact watch CNN myself and I am well aware of the situation and I myself am hoping that if there is a war that it doesn't last long and that the threat of Iraq is not a problem anymore. After Iraq, you can probably bet that other nations will be forced to disarm....the US included. But that will not happen for many years and many conflicts to come. But you can probably bet that a third world war is in the future...in this war on terrorism and disarming of contries that pose as a global threat.

I'll just point out that the bombs dropped on Japan to end WW2 were around 15kT each. Modern thermonuclear weapons available to the longstanding nuclear powers go up to 25MT - more than 1500 times more powerful.

In the event of all out nuclear war, I'd hope to be very close-by when one goes off - I sure as hell wouldn't want to be one of the 'survivors' of a nuclear war.

You keep putting small lies one next to another, building up an enormous one.

Open your eyes.

1. You have no proofs.
2. Non-sanctioned agression is a crime.
3. Inspections can be continued.
4. A humane catastrophe may occur because you, personally, support it.

Its not whether I have proof or not. The proof lies within the documentation of the weapons report....and what intelligence has gathered.....Its not about what I have ...the government could give a [censored] less what I let alone you think. of course aggession is a crime why do you think we are disarming Iraq...its aggressiveness toward its people and other surrounding countries...and to keep the aggression going you would simply not get caught by painting a billboard that states "Get your weapons of mass destruction here" you would hide them from the obvious.

I know inspections can be continued arent they now? ....but didnt they recently discover evidence of chemical weapons....Yep maybe not nuclear... And as you put it Humane catastrophes are caused because of personal support....I dont support a war at all thats the last thing that i want to happen. Our government has probable cause and well posession is nine-tenths the law...so if they at one point have evidence of these types of weapons be it -biological, chemical, and yes Nuclear then thats evidence enough that there is a probable threat.

You make it seem like its a big conspiracy...Its not Im just simply stating facts. You are stating things like its a crime this and its a crime that.. This entire subject is just a stalemate and we have our views You make it out to be an act of aggression on our part. Think about it if there was a definate nuclear threat on our country from another nuclear nation, by another nation that poses a severe threat wouldnt you personally like to see that it doesnt happen? And by that i mean aggress the agressor or one way to put it [censored] them first before they [censored] you! This is all one big political stalemate and does it need to continue. Nope. We all know where you stand and where the rest of us stand. Let it go.

Uhm,... Necroman The_Game, D3m0n, lets all keep our reactions to eachothers opinion, and to eachothers bad choice of words , friendly, ok? :tongue:

Correct - I have no proof which someone else cant tell me is a lie
Can YOU prove to me that the moon landings happened?
Can YOU prove to me that the cuban missile crisis wasnt just the US having dirt on their camera lens?

Didnt think so...

We only see half of what our leaders see... What I see is either the US and the UK are lying to billions of people, or there is evidence that iraq are deliberately hiding something (which is a breach of the UN resolution dun forget)
That is not to say that I believe iraq is hiding WMD and should be invaded....



That is a very simplistic approach - and it all depends what you mean by "sanctioned"
From what I understand, this agression has been sanctioned by the US government. Legally, thats all the sanction THEY need.
As long as they obide by the geniva(sp?) convention, it is not a crime for them to invade iraq (afaik - but I may be wrong)
The politics however, are incredibly different... I wont even pretend to understand the political side of things...



And they are continuing. But iraq may be able to keep hiding whatever it is they are hiding and thus the inspections may not find anything.



I dont believe that to be the case. Blair has already said that he is willing to risk his political career to ensure that iraq disarms - and the US view is even harder...
So - unless the war doesnt happen before the next election, and unless the UK people who dont support it vote someone else, there is very little that you or I can do
I'm not saying that we should do nothing - just that no matter how many protests we join, if this war would have happened without the protests, it will happen with them

I didnt mean for this thread to be a discussion over whether war is justified or not - it is obvious that nothing anyone on here says will convince either side to switch views
We are just spectators in a very complicated game of chess... arguing about whether bush should or shouldnt press his big red button will just get people up tight and nothing else

Like?

Like the United States..?

Oh..they did? Please enlighten me..show me links.. pictures..video..text..anything to prove they celebrated as a nation.

Here's something that hasn't been brought up: Kuwait drilled into Iraqs land and into their oil which caused Iraq to get pissed and attack. Don't play Kuwait off as an innocent country.

How does a poor quality tape in a different language that is somewhat vague prove that Iraq intentionally hides WMDs? Yes.. it's a PIECE of evidence.. but it can't be the only evidence or relied upon 100% as geniune proof.

Show me this evidence.

What reasoning do you have for this? When has Saddam ever attacked a foreign nation un-provoked? Kuwait DID provoke him, so don't try to use the Gulf War and the causes and an example.

Says who? Did you steal his Agenda book where it is written "TO DO: threaten other countries". When has he threatened other countries anyways? He HAS stated he is prepared to defend himself against any U.S. attacks.. that is not an agenda to threaten.

If you state something as fact, be prepared to have proof.. I will be waiting for this proof.

What threats against neighboring countries? Please provide some specific examples.

It's not that easy. Besides, that would have made it VERY OBVIOUS it's about oil, which is not what the U.S. government would want.

So you're accusing him of Imperialism.. What countries or regions has he ever had control of besides his own country? When has he ever actively attempted to control a region outside his own country?

CNN.. there's a reliable and unbias source..

Yet again accusing Iraq of agression against other countries. WHAT AGRESSION? Did I miss something here? I find it disgusting that you lump together the agression against his own people and supposed active aggression against other nations. That is a debate tool.. State one thing that is fact, and another that is not..and play them off as one thing that is fact.

When was this? I have not heard about it.

Any questions?

Yeah, just one question...

I didn't say half the things you quote me as saying. Kindly don't put words in my mouth.

The second thing is that you need a lesson in the English Language. Note where I said "seems". That is an indication of the way a subject matter appears to me, it makes no reference to the way something IS or ISN'T.

Having said that I can only stand by what I said originally, in reference to the threads original subject. I don't support the anti-war protests. While I don't want war to break out I can understand why it appears to be necessary. However I do support Khaled's right to have the advertisment on his page. The page belongs to him and if people don't want to read it they can click another page or click the back button. While not agreeing with the protest I did read their site and respect their views.

It's okay Necroman, all I wanted to do was keep the issue 'light' and in context. Your post was fine.

But others did in this thread, and that should be quite obvious who said what if you just read. I simply clicked "reply" on your post and started from there..then replied to various quotes from various people.. no where did i ever say those quotes were from you. I'm sorry that i didnt feel like making 5 different posts..

I take offense to your insult. I saw seems, and I even quoted it as to try not to take it out of context. I know that's how it appears to YOU.. and I want to know WHY it appears that way to you.. is there evidence that you've seen that I don't know about?

Im being honest, but as soon as I saw this today on this site I regulary visit I wasnt too happy. We are humans and we all think differently but an issue of war is a serious issue and I myself do not believe this should be posted on this public software site.

We're all against war. Especially George Bush, who would love nothing more than to stick the $50 billion its going to cost this country back into Americans' pockets.

The Bush administration has been reading its daily intelligence reports and giving each other strange looks as they wonder, "the guy before George was THAT big an idiot?" Saddam Hussein should have been gone years ago.

The exception to the "we're all against war" would be Saddam Hussein, who could stop the war at any time and place. Thats the point. Saddam does, in fact, want war - with a weaker foe such as Israel.

All I wonder about is where our noble moderators are? Where are the people who edit our posts and determine what's good and what's evil? Where are those who speak for Khaled when he's not there? We face a serious problem now, a question of life and death, and where have they all gone?

We need your opinion. We need to know what kind of people you are. Take a break from your Frequently Answered Questions and reveal your point of view, please.

Do you support war or inspections?