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Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #534 13/12/02 06:35 AM
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I didn't say anything about ops vs non-ops or talking vs idling.

My post was about people whom it's interesting to talk to. "Elite users", as I you call them, are too mature to swear or flood. They are well-educated, polite and friendly.

Of course, an entire network cannot be homogeneous. There will be mp3, porn and warez channels, but "in average", it's well-known which of the major networks attracts thinking people, and which has become a lamer-pool.


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Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #535 13/12/02 06:43 AM
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I totally agree with you shatter, Many of the so called Lamers are the most talkative on any network...the real lamers are the anti-social, complaing, idling, users that just think they are elite-users...But at anyrate does it matter whos the best? The way i've always looked at it...as long as you have a place to chat amongst your friends it dont matter which network is the best...i thought this was supposed to be IRC not IRComplain its not a competition on whose the best....its what the chatters make it out to be and if its all idling then more power to ya....i just thought id reply to ya Shatter cause ya make a hell of alot of sense

Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #536 13/12/02 09:28 AM
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I agree entirely, The Game. To me, lamers are the people that are supposedly there to help you (services/admin) who then tell you they can't/won't do anything about the very things they are there to help with. And I'm not talking about them getting into channel 'politics' either. Like you say, they sit there for hours on end idling away looking 'cool', and give sarcastic replies and comments when they do finally deign to speak to you. I'm not suggesting that all admin/service types are like that - just enough of them to put people off asking for help. Maybe that's why so many people come to this board for help? And of course, another type of lamer is your script kiddie, hacker, flooder, spammer sort. The so-called unintelligent lamers that I think someone mentioned earlier in this thread are, imho, what keeps IRC afloat. And just remember, we were all noobs once. It's interesting that in some circles, a noob = a lamer. In respect of the 'best' network, it's the one where you feel comfortable chatting, the one where your friends are etc etc.


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Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #537 13/12/02 05:39 PM
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Within any group, there are good and bad. I dont know of any one group that gets more abuse than server/admin/IRCops. Are they all hard working and responsible? of course not..they are ppl, and ppl will be ppl. Many who look "idle" are in fact working behind the scenes so to speak, to keep their servers and networks running and trying to get rid of the problem kiddies. For every one person who politely msgs them with a legitimate prob, there are tons who are verbally abusive and expecting things that arent allowed/dont need an IRCop to deal with. Many networks have channels where ppl can go to find help with services probs, to find an oper and have websites with info.

I dunno how cheery i would be to the 200th person who msgd me yelling "i gave him my password and now he stole my nick. you make him give it back you &^%$ (*&^%" And lets not forget the ones who follow them around to diff channels posting and msging constantly declaring their undying love, or how they are ever so wondermous and simply MUST be given IRCop status themselves right this very minute. Gee, that must be just tons of fun when you are in the middle of trying to solve a real prob.

To me, lamers are those who are rude, abusive, dont follow the rules, spam/invite and in general try to spoil IRC for everyone else. OK, lets add on the ones who go into help channels, ask a question, are given a source/command to show the info and then tell you "Just TELL me you stupid *&^%, i dont wanna READ it". There are many days when i wonder what happened to common courtesty frown


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Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #538 13/12/02 06:09 PM
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Oops! I didn't mean to imply that they were all bad...I know how hard most Opers work 'behind the scenes', and I realise that they are the biggest target for abuse. I meant those Opers for whom answering a 'simple', politely put question is too much trouble - and the sarcasm and 'I am better than you' attitude that goes with it. They're not gods, they're people just like the rest of us and can have good and bad days like anyone else. But there still is no need to be rude to someone who is genuinely seeking their help, or merely even speaking to them. A case in point is one particular occasion when an IRCop joined the channel and was asked for age (channel rules, it's an over 18 room). The op who asked didn't know this person was an IRCop. She was met with "Don't f***ing start with me". With Opers like that, it's not surprising that some of us don't want to ask for help from them, if that's the reaction to a simple request.


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Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #539 14/12/02 01:20 PM
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Where is the place where lamers don't prosper? Which of the IRC networks is the wisest, most suitable for intelligent conversations?

I would say there's good and bad on most networks.


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Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #540 14/12/02 01:32 PM
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Mentioning the name of a network, be it EFnet, DALnet, PickYourOwnnet isnt advertising...

If this is the case then why are other users here being hammered for advertising? All they did is do what you say is quite okay.

From a personal point of view I agree with what you said (except your not-half-obvious and completely inaccurate catagorisation of my website), however this is my point - people here have mentioned networks that arn't part of the big four so it's taken by some as "Hey come here". Further evidence is that some now refer to "the big five" now that Quake has said to Dalnet "Thanks for keeping our seat warm". It's almost like Dalnet is IRC's holy grail.

Lets have some consistency here.


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Re: Who's the best: Undernet DALnet EFnet or IRCnet? #541 14/12/02 08:26 PM
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I most certainly was NOT making reference, veiled or otherwise, to your site or anyone else's specifically. Rest assured if i had meant my comments to be about your site or posts specifially, i would have clearly said so. Many urls and script lines here are helpful to ppl, but there have also been attempts to put up those that could hurt them. And to be sure you dont again misinterpret, i am NOT referring to you.

Saying "i am having a prob on suchandsuch a network" is, to me, a far cry from saying "hey, i just started a new network/channel, come see it". Every post is subject to the readers interpretation, and if some see the first as spam, i personally dont agree. Some perhaps think saying "gee, on my network, suchandsuch.net, and in my channel #sumfin, we dont have that problem" is a cute lil way to spam. I, and all the readers, have to use their own judgement as to the person's intent.

Since this board's inception, i have referred users to many different networks websites, and posted the url if i have it handy..even googling it in order to do so. Since each network has its own specifics and problems, their website is in many cases the best resource the poster can utilize. Likewise, when referring ppl to sites like symantec and trendmicro, imo, that is giving them resources for info/prob solving, not spamming those sites. Its hardly surprising that there are more questions about the "Big Five".

"It's almost like Dalnet is IRC's holy grail" yegawds! with the majority of posts about DAL being related to probs with identd and connecting, i hardly think that qualifies as good PR.
If i were new to mIRC and wandering this forum, my reaction would prolly be, uhuh, not going there, too many probs.


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