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Re: mass commands #49289 14/09/03 06:12 PM
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i can back ATMA up on that.. i have join his server a couple times, and i see how bad these bots are


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Re: mass commands #49290 14/09/03 06:37 PM
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A good script can detect such. Also - your arguments hold no ground. If he detects the bots to start the masskick, he also detects them to set the +i. All that I suggest he change is the action he takes.


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Re: mass commands #49291 14/09/03 06:38 PM
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Well, then you are the kind of people who make IRC not fun for a lot of newbies. As they say, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem...


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Re: mass commands #49292 14/09/03 06:39 PM
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That doesn't change the point of my reasoning. There is no need to kick ALL the users out of a channel. That will just scare away your userbase.


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Re: mass commands #49293 14/09/03 06:50 PM
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he is only kicking $snick's, not everyone, you should check over the script before running ur yapp. :tongue:


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Re: mass commands #49294 14/09/03 07:06 PM
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yes indeed you should look at the code more closely next time k? :tongue:


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Re: mass commands #49295 14/09/03 07:23 PM
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First, it doesn't change anything I said. In fact, if you wanna go down that path -- it makes it worse and supports my path even more. How much time do you think he's gonna need to manually select all the botnicks? Halfway decent spambot floods these days are bots joining and parting like crazy, maybe throwing in one or two lines of text between. Before you select the second nick, the first will be gone already. Manually selecting botnicks in a botflood is completely and totally pointless. Infact anything manual is completely and totally pointless against a flood. If you want to protect a channel, you MUST automate it.....


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Re: mass commands #49296 14/09/03 07:26 PM
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i never have trouble with that because i normally stick to small networks, other than dalnet every so often, but i would say a mass kick is far better than any kind of flood prot anyway;\


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Re: mass commands #49297 14/09/03 07:37 PM
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Masking the symptoms is NEVER better than solving the problem. You can keep kicking out the floodbots till hell freezes over, unless you do something to prevent them from joining back, and prevent others from joining as well, the flood is gonna keep going. Setting a temporary +i is the only way to stop them from rejoining (bans don't cut it, especially on networks where you can connect through proxies).

PS: "only way" is relative, on DALnet you can use +R to prevent floodbots from joining too.

PPS: don't take that "till hell freezes over" too literally -- it already did a few years ago.


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Re: mass commands #49298 15/09/03 02:04 AM
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Perhaps you might be wiser off letting the rest of this community decide whether we want to help this person or not.

If you think the question asked has the potential to be used in a malicious manner, don't respond.
On the other hand, if you really have the need to say something, by all means, go ahead, but please don't bring the greater community into the battle, because we can make our own decisions.


Personally, I have a command similar to this, however, I've hardly used it. In fact, I'm thinking of re-coding it so it will only allow three or four events/mode changes to happen at once.

As for bans, I suggest using $modespl to return how many modes can be changed at once on your server, and modifying the script to suit.


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Re: mass commands #49299 15/09/03 05:12 AM
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Whether or not we should help here isn't the point I am trying to make. The point I am trying to make is that the code is useless when a half decent botflood shows up...

And excuse me for trying to do my part in making IRC a better place


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Re: mass commands #49300 15/09/03 06:17 AM
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And excuse me for trying to do my part in making IRC a better place

not everyone wants the same as you.....


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Re: mass commands #49301 15/09/03 06:37 AM
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I using my mass kick to fast secure a channel (clear it out) if its being a TO atemt.. if somone get server ops and start to mass kick the ops, then i dont just want the channel to be set +i, that means that my ops cant join it without a invite, so a mass kick can be good for many reasons. but if its made to do a TO with, then its not that good, but as allways it depends on the person that using it, if you got a gun that dont mean you shot somone, but then again you have ppl that doing just that.. so a mass kick on its own arent so bad, it all depends on who using it and for what reason smile


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Re: mass commands #49302 15/09/03 06:41 AM
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if you got a gun that dont mean you shot somone

exactly shocked


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Re: mass commands #49303 15/09/03 09:42 AM
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Apparantly there are some people who want to do nothing but harass others/annoy others.

I said "a better place"

A better place is a place where every user can chat freely without being harassed by spammers, without being insulted by idiots, without being banned from their own channel by people who use warscripts. That is what "good" and "safe" and "normal" IRC is, regardless of whether you want it to be such.


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Re: mass commands #49304 15/09/03 09:43 AM
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In that case, why not simply deop everyone and set +i. You can then reop the real ops and kick the lamers.


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Re: mass commands #49305 15/09/03 12:04 PM
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Apparantly there are some people who want to do nothing but harass others/annoy others.


did i ever say i was going to harass ppl with this script no i didnt i am a owner of a server and i know what to do when to do it so just stfu ppl are getting sick of you [censored] saying [censored] like this it just floods the message boards k thx


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Re: mass commands #49306 15/09/03 12:39 PM
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You're saying I'm part of the problem because I choose to help people without the preaching ?

Re: mass commands #49307 15/09/03 01:06 PM
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You shouldent say to somone here that just says what he/she thinks to "stfu", they are here to help ppl, and if they feel its wrong to help with serten things, then thats ok too, and LocutusofBorg do say much good in this forum, so i dont see any reason to be rude? that will only make it harder for you to get help with som other problem you maybe will have, no one here wants to help somone that are rude.. smile


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Re: mass commands #49308 15/09/03 02:43 PM
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A better place is a place where every user can chat freely without being harassed by spammers, without being insulted by idiots, without being banned from their own channel by people who use warscripts. That is what "good" and "safe" and "normal" IRC is, regardless of whether you want it to be such.


I used to own a channel with a 100 ppl on avaerage there, and I never was taken over.. i'm sorry, but if a person's channel gets taken over that they own, its their own fault. If you couldnt do something as simple as /chanserv identify <chan> <pass> or /chanserv access <chan> add <name> <protected_level>, then you need to learn from your mistakes. Even just mkaing a 1 line script

on 1:JOIN:#channel_i_own: /chanserv identify <chan> <pass>

thats like having a car, leaving the key in the ignition, and being a distance away. Its your fault u didnt take the initiative to secure your car. Now dont get me wrong, the one who stole the car is still at fault, but your the one that basically handed it over.


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