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Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages drum #229189 23/01/11 11:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada A argv0 Hoopy frood
argv0 Hoopy frood A Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada	That's not exactly an answer, that's just evading the question. I didn't ask him to guess, I asked him to check. Checking would confirm my assumption that the problem is due to the fact that those users are all on old versions of mIRC-- and therefore it's a complete non-issue if people just upgrade their clients. That is, this issue is not an "irc-wide" problem, it's related to one specific client. That means it will become less of an issue as people simply upgrade to 7.x. The issue isn't as complicated as implementing server-side anything. It's simply about educating users to upgrade. - argv[0] on EFnet #mIRC - "Life is a pointer to an integer without a cast"

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages argv0 #229199 24/01/11 11:25 AM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden M magic Babel fish
magic Babel fish M Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden	Originally Posted By: argv0 That means it will become less of an issue as people simply upgrade to 7.x. The issue isn't as complicated as implementing server-side anything. It's simply about educating users to upgrade. You seem to totally misunderstand the problem, the problem is with users that use the new version of mIRC. If they update they will have problem since the irc servers treat lower and upper cases as different characters. The solution would be to tell all users that has a problem to deactivate utf-8 support in mIRC to be able to join their old channels. You see, when they type #ö in old mIRC, they join one channel, if they type #ö in new mIRC, they join another channel, and if they type #Ö they join a third channel, none of these channels are the same. so users with channels registered with channel services are now unable to join their registered channel unless they, and all their friends, deactivate utf-8 support, or wait for the networks to update channel service, and the ircd. So the answer to the problem is not to upgrade mIRC, but to either wait until all networks update services and servers to support utf-8, or to tell all users with problem to deactivate utf-8 support in mIRC. www.mirc.net

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages magic #229203 24/01/11 02:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,330 MA, USA Riamus2 Hoopy frood
Riamus2 Hoopy frood Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,330 MA, USA	Originally Posted By: magic You see, when they type #ö in old mIRC, they join one channel, if they type #ö in new mIRC, they join another channel, and if they type #Ö they join a third channel, none of these channels are the same. Or, the channel owners can move their channel to a valid UTF8 name in all lowercase and then everyone can upgrade and use the channel without problem. The first and second #ö you listed are different because the first one isn't valid UTF8. If the channel owner just registers the channel as UTF8 and leaves it as lowercase (since most people joining a channel will type the channel in lowercase), that will solve the problems. In fact, anyone with older versions of mIRC could still access that channel after the change as long as they have UTF8 enabled in options. Again, mIRC isn't changing. Networks and ircds aren't going to change very soon. If channel owners care at all about having their channels set up so that the highest number of people can access them without problem, they should move the channels to valid UTF8 channel names. Sure, it's a pain to move a channel. I've done so multiple times. But it's not the end of the world and it is by far the better option rather than maintaining the channel in non-UTF8. Many people want to update to the latest version of mIRC and, in the end, many will just stop visiting any channel they can't access after updating rather than trying to make it work. Any decent channel owner should understand this and make the effort. Even when networks add support for UTF8, there is a good chance they'll still allow the outdated channel names and you'll still be in the same situation. Better to change now than later. All major clients support UTF8 channel names and even older mIRC versions will if set up properly (though people should just update anyhow), so changing the channel name to valid UTF8 makes the channel available to virtually everyone, whereas leaving it in non-UTF8 makes it unavailable to a large number of users. Again, any channel owner who cares at all about the channel should understand this and make the effort to change. It only benefits them to do so. Invision Support #Invision on irc.irchighway.net

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages Riamus2 #229209 24/01/11 08:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden M magic Babel fish
magic Babel fish M Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden	If the network and services support utf channel registration :-) If it doesn't there is a problem, and thats the case on for example undernet. www.mirc.net

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages magic #229214 25/01/11 04:33 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada A argv0 Hoopy frood
argv0 Hoopy frood A Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada	That doesn't make sense. There is no such thing as "utf channel registration". Channel names are strings of bytes. Any valid "string of bytes" that can be /join'd can be registered as a channel. If not, your network services are significantly broken. - argv[0] on EFnet #mIRC - "Life is a pointer to an integer without a cast"

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages magic #229215 25/01/11 04:36 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada A argv0 Hoopy frood
argv0 Hoopy frood A Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada	Originally Posted By: magic If they update they will have problem since the irc servers treat lower and upper cases as different characters. The solution would be to tell all users that has a problem to deactivate utf-8 support in mIRC to be able to join their old channels. I understand the problem quite well, and no, that is not the solution. The solution is to use UTF-8 channel names as suggested by Riamus. Again: want to know why the majority of users on those channels are on old versions of mIRC? Because those are one of the only clients that can visit these channels in the first place. In case you weren't paying attention, mIRC is one of the few clients that only recently started using UTF-8. Just about every other client already uses UTF-8 out of the box and can't even access your channel. So who are you really hurting? Users with old versions of mIRC-- nobody else. - argv[0] on EFnet #mIRC - "Life is a pointer to an integer without a cast"

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages argv0 #229217 25/01/11 05:18 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada A argv0 Hoopy frood
argv0 Hoopy frood A Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada	For reference, these are the statistics from the channel #montréal on Undernet that I just retrieved (nicknames stripped from output): Originally Posted By: #montréal (23:50:20) -> [#montréal] VERSION (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6 Linux 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 [x86_64/1.20GHz/SMP] (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.12 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.31 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.01 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.21 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: ( NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.nnscript.com :: www.esnation.com ) (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.31 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:20) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: - all that i can do is break myself in two - (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.03 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: PnP 4.22.2 - http://www.kristshell.net/pnp/ (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: ZNC 0.062 - http://znc.sourceforge.net (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.32 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.3 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.21 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: KVIrc 4.1.1 svn-5163 'Equilibrium' 20101102 - build 2010-11-22 16:39:34 UTC - (Build 7600) (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: SegaIRC v1.0.3release / MegaDrive16 version (340575) / (Copyright Sega'99 - all rights reserved) (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: XBotserv(v15.2) (High Power Tech) By BuDDyWeeD 2009© -> http://xps.systemzone.org (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.32 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) -SuccubeZzz- © Script Magic V8 © pour usagers et pour opérateurs débutant comme opérateurs expérimentés! --> www.canaladulte.gtx.fr Essayez-le! (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: PnP 4.22.2 - http://www.kristshell.net/pnp/ (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: ZNC 0.094 - http://znc.sourceforge.net (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6-2 Windows Vista [AMD/3,01GHz] (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: XBotserv(v15.2) (High Power Tech) By BuDDyWeeD 2009© -> http://xps.systemzone.org (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: ( NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.nnscript.com :: www.esnation.com ) (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: CHfriend (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: ircN 8.00 (20100904) - this world rejects me - (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: PnP 4.22 - http://www.pairc.com/ (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: elfenoir BETA 83 V.2007 (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.34 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.34 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: ßüÐ§Ç®îþt v1.01 for mIRC v6.2 32bit - http://www.SexualPredatorsAlert.com (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: MTLGuard v 1.07 par James007 (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.21 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:21) -\|RX\|Merlins\|- I am using «-{ßüÐ§Ç®îþt}-» v1.01 - http://www.SexualPredatorsAlert.com (23:50:21) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: AYA Bot V0.1 By NaRRaToR (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:22) -[RX][AnGeL]- J'utilise .::::::\| Radioextreme \|:::::. v1.1 fait par \|DJ\|BUGZ\| Telecharger sur [url=Http://radioextreme.org/radioextremev1.1.rar][url=Http://radioextreme.org/radioextremev1.1.rar][url=Http://radioextreme.org/radioextremev1.1.rar]Http://radioextreme.org/radioextremev1.1.rar[/url][/url][/url] (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.20 (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC32 v4.6 K.Mardam-Bey (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19+ctcpfix (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.20 (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.20 (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.20 (23:50:22) [* VERSION reply]: (c)rackrock\BitchX v1.1 for mIRC 6.35 ...it's an addiction (23:50:24) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:24) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (23:50:24) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey Note that the only clients are mIRC 6.x and xchat 2.8.x, xchat making up only a handful of the 97 responding users. Of course there was also some eggdrop responses, but these are generally not considered "clients", so we can ignore these. The important part to note is that there is a huge abundance of mIRC 6.x clients in this channel. As a control, and to ensure that undernet is not populated entirely by mIRC users, I sampled another channel #philosophy. The findings show that mIRC is indeed popular, but it is not the only client on the network (as the above log makes it seem): Originally Posted By: #philosophy (00:07:10) -> [#philosophy] VERSION (00:07:10) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.1 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: Colloquy 2.3 (4617) - Mac OS X 10.6.6 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.31 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.12 (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.1 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC32 v5.82 K.Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.3 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.1 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.34 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: dircproxy 1.2.0 - http://dircproxy.googlecode.com/ (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: Quassel IRC v0.7.1 (dist-aa28596) (built on Sep 21 2010 20:00:44) -- http://www.quassel-irc.org (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.14 (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.1 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.15 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 [x86_64/3.11GHz/SMP] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Linux 2.6.32.23-170.fc12.i686.PAE [i686/2.80GHz/SMP] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: Colloquy 2.3 (4617) - Mac OS X 10.6.3 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: ZNC 0.076 - http://znc.sourceforge.net (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6-2 Windows Vista [AMD/2.00GHz] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.9 Windows 6.1 [i686/2.00GHz] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: PnP 4.22.2 - http://www.kristshell.net/pnp/ (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6-2 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/2.70GHz] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.1 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.03 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6 Linux 2.6.33.4 [x86_64/2.41GHz/SMP] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: Colloquy 2.3 (4617) - Mac OS X 10.6.6 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: Colloquy 2.1 (3761) - Mac OS X 10.6.6 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Linux 2.6.35.10-74.fc14.i686 [i686/1.00GHz/SMP] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.14 (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.15 - running on Linux x86_64 (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: PIRCH98:WIN 95/98/WIN NT:1.0 (build 1.0.1.1190) (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: PIRCH98:WIN 95/98/WIN NT:1.0 (build 1.0.1.1190) (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: ircN 7.27 + 7.0 - god money's not concerned with the sick amongst the pure - (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: xchat-wdk 1464-5 (xchat-2.8.8) Windows 5.1 [x86/2.67GHz] (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.12 (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.15 - running at Blinkenshell.org (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.31 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:11) [* VERSION reply]: OS: (Windows 6.1 (Build #7600)) ¤ Up: (1m 1d 16h 59m 13s) ¤ CPU: (2 CPU's - Intel Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @, 3.00 GHz, (2% Load)) ¤ Mem: (Usage: 0/2048MB (0.00%)) ¤ (----------) ¤ HD: (Total/Free: 1.24/0.51TB) (00:07:12) [* VERSION reply]: I am using SystemInfo by C}{$ Version 1.5-r4! Download it @ http://scripts.phucknut.net/ (00:07:12) [* VERSION reply]: SkUT3 (v1.0) by SkorpSSS ]\|[ http://skorpsss.free.fr/ (00:07:12) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.1 Khaled Mardam-Bey (00:07:12) [* VERSION reply]: IceChat 7.70 20101031 (00:07:14) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.15 - running on FreeBSD i386 (00:07:14) [* VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.15 - running on FreeBSD i386 (00:07:15) [* VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Linux 2.6.32-27-generic [i686/800.50MHz/SMP] (00:07:16) [* VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey Of the 75 responses here, it's immediately clear that there is more client diversity in this channel. Clients like "Quassel", "PIRCH98" (which incidentally probably doesn't support UTF-8), irssi, Colloquy and IceChat are some we didn't see in the other sample. Also note the fairly large amount of 7.x clients here. Therefore, this problem is pretty much an "mIRC only" phenomenon (with extremely minor exceptions). As more users upgrade to 7.x, more of them will start populating the utf-8 equivalent channel names, and the problem will disappear. Yes, you will have to move your channel, but no, it won't be such a big deal. I'd make a graph to show this much more easily, but I don't have the time or energy, but feel free to use this data to do so. - argv[0] on EFnet #mIRC - "Life is a pointer to an integer without a cast"

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages argv0 #229218 25/01/11 06:02 AM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,033 R RoCk Hoopy frood
RoCk Hoopy frood R Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,033	(23:50:22) [*** VERSION reply]: mIRC32 v4.6 K.Mardam-Bey

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages RoCk #229219 25/01/11 06:21 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,252 Ontario, Canada R RusselB Hoopy frood
RusselB Hoopy frood R Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,252 Ontario, Canada	I don't even want to think about the number of changes that have been made since that version came out... Apologies for making a non-relevant post on the topic.

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages argv0 #229220 25/01/11 08:56 AM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden M magic Babel fish
magic Babel fish M Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden	Originally Posted By: argv0 The solution is to use UTF-8 channel names as suggested by Riamus. How? Since you can not register utf-8 channels on undernet. www.mirc.net

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages magic #229221 25/01/11 10:21 AM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 344 D drum Pan-dimensional mouse
drum Pan-dimensional mouse D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 344	Originally Posted By: magic How? Since you can not register utf-8 channels on undernet. I really doubt that is the case. (It actually isn't even possible to block UTF-8 channel names while allowing codepage channel names if you understand how UTF-8 works.) Have you tried registering a channel that was UTF-8? If not, who said that you can't? Last edited by drum; 25/01/11 10:29 AM.

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages drum #229224 25/01/11 02:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden M magic Babel fish
magic Babel fish M Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Stockholm, Sweden	Originally Posted By: drum Originally Posted By: magic How? Since you can not register utf-8 channels on undernet. I really doubt that is the case. (It actually isn't even possible to block UTF-8 channel names while allowing codepage channel names if you understand how UTF-8 works.) Have you tried registering a channel that was UTF-8? If not, who said that you can't? I guess it is possible if you know how to input the channelname in utf-8 format on the webpage where you register channels. But we both know that most users are not bright enough to understand how to do that. If they type a channel name they expect to have that channel registered, and then when they type the very same channel name in mIRC they will join the wrong channel. because their browser type it in one format, and mIRC in another. www.mirc.net

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages magic #229228 25/01/11 04:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,330 MA, USA Riamus2 Hoopy frood
Riamus2 Hoopy frood Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,330 MA, USA	Yeah, Undernet doesn't have on-network registrations. It's a very poor setup, but that's how they do it. The solution there is really just to ask Undernet to update their webpage to send the registrations as UTF8. That shouldn't be difficult for them to change if people start requesting it. It shouldn't even require any ircd changes. It might even take it as UTF8 if you have your browser set to Unicode instead of a codepage, but I haven't ever tried that, so I really don't know. It's still something Undernet should set up on their website even if it is that easy to do locally. Invision Support #Invision on irc.irchighway.net

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages magic #229229 25/01/11 09:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada A argv0 Hoopy frood
argv0 Hoopy frood A Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,918 Montreal, QC, Canada	As mentioned, this is something you need to take up with the network. There is no technical reason these channels can't be registered. However, FWIW, you can send utf-8 through a browser. In fact, pretty much every modern browser will default to sending data encoded as UTF-8, so you don't actually have to "know how" to input the data in any special format. And it will be the same format mIRC uses-- UTF-8. If the data is re-encoded on Undernet's end, that is their problem. If you noticed that they are re-encoding UTF-8 data in some crappy Latin-1 encoding, you should tell them, because it means people aren't getting the channels they are asking for, and not the other way around. - argv[0] on EFnet #mIRC - "Life is a pointer to an integer without a cast"

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages Pro24 #229324 29/01/11 08:58 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 17 D dholli Pikka bird
dholli Pikka bird D Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 17	Is there any converter that a person can use to convert our 635 scripts to unicode please.

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages dholli #229327 29/01/11 10:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,252 Ontario, Canada R RusselB Hoopy frood
RusselB Hoopy frood R Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,252 Ontario, Canada	Most scripts should work just fine simply by loading them into the newer version of mIRC using File -> Load from the Script editor menu, or /load -rs <script_name.mrc> If you have a script that doesn't load correctly, or work correctly after being loaded, then the script needs to be edited, which would make a posting in the Scripts & Popups section appropriate.

Re: mIRC v7.1 languages and codepages RusselB #229346 30/01/11 04:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 17 D dholli Pikka bird
dholli Pikka bird D Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 17	thank you very much

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