Forums General Discussion rather annoyed and would like feed back and help

as a user of mirc for quite a while i was first introduced to it via irc emule this leads to a network that it seems is run by morons for idiots for the last few months my channel has been destroyed by poachers and orher attacks this i dont mind but there is one user who not only can he have like 50 ip addresses and nicks but his constant harrassing via pm and notice i have taken to the irc ops but they are unwilling or unable to help i try to talk to the system admin but he ignores me this i fear is becoming bad when my wife quits out of irc becouse of harrasment and her nick is taken by the user who harrasses me and uses her nick to spam my channel in others thus causing me more problems. the network is mindforge the user that seems to be able to do as he pleases is pretty shannon i advise any sane user to avoid this network at all costs and i hope some one will take it off the mirc list its unhealthy and unfriendly to new and young users its ops need training and its admins need to take control before they loose there client base. if any one has any ideas as to what i can do or what and who to talk to i would be gratefull

IRCops are not obliged to help you, especially in channel matters.

The best solution would be to simply take your channel somewhere else and practice better channel security in future. I personally make all my channels secret (+s) and set a new channel key (+k <key>) every month.

As for removing the network from the list, I think that is pretty extreme. The event seems pretty isolated to be honest.

If you are using a network that is specifically for file sharing (you mentioned emule), then you can expect all that to happen. Avoid such networks and use something better. Beyond that, you can find similarities in the IP/DNS and ban ranges, or you can ban by ident or by nick. The best thing is just to choose a different network and avoid anything dealing with file sharing.

File sharing has absolutely nothing to do with it .. these little
punks are all over the place not just these types of networks
and channels. This guy is stealing nicks, harrassing users,
evading bans, spam inviting and probably has a hell of a
botnet for floods and ddos, this kind of a situation is exactly
why networks have ircops, to protect their network and
users from dickheads like these. Sadly, most ircops just want
the position for the status and really want nothing to do with
helping/protecting their network and users. [Edited.]

Delminister, if the ircops on this network are that worthless
and disinterested in helping, it seems to me I wouldn't want
to be a part of their pos network. Try and secretly move
your channel elsewhere and hope this jerk doesn't follow
you. The type of network and channel have nothing to do
with your problem, it happens everywhere. Good luck.



That's exactly what they're supposed to be there for,
to help and protect users from idiots like this, [Edited.].

You know, mircmaniac, you gave exactly the same advice as what you called "crappy." I gave him 2 choices ... ban ranges/idents/nicks or move to a better network. You told him to move to a better network. Please explain the difference.

dood also mentioned moving to another network and increasing channel security (though, his method just makes it more difficult to have legitimate users). Still, that same idea as yours. Again, please explain the difference. Sure, IRCOps *should* help you, but they really don't have to. Few networks will help with channel takeovers, just as one example. They could if they wanted, but they don't. And, as he said, if you're on one that doesn't help, then you just go somewhere else. You also said the same thing about that. So, again... the difference is what?

Yes, I pointed out that hanging out in file sharing channels or networks specifically for file sharing will increase the likelihood of dealing with people like that. That is a true statement. Join many warez channels and suddenly you start getting flooded with spam msgs. Join most regular channels on most servers and you don't usually have an issue unless you annoy someone enough. It was offered as advice to go to a better network than one associated with emule.

My approach to channel security does limit the amount of users that come in but I've only ever invited people to my own channels who I've known a while and those who use them do the same.

IRCops are there to run the server and nothing else. It is a popular misconception that IRCops should have anything else to do. This is mainly due to the (odd) popularity of Unreal IRCd where IRCops can pretty much influence anything.

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IRCops are there to run the server and nothing else.

Well, what exactly is your description of running a server?
Having been an ircop for a few years, I can't think of much
else to do if not helping people and dealing with dickheads
like the one mentioned above. Actually, there is nothing else
to do, except for maybe to abuse your oper powers and joke
kill your friends (and enemies) and act like you're god of all
creation because you have access to a few more commands
than the normal user. Also, most opers local and global alike,
do nothing about this kind of stuff because they have no clue
what to do.

To run a server, you don't need to get involved with the channels. Channels are a separate thing all together, kept in order by channel operators.

What do I mean by running a server? An experienced IRCop such as yourself would probably not need to know but I'll go on anyway. How about setting the I:Lines? Configuring ports? Amending the MOTD? Keeping your leaf connected to a hub or even being the hub itself?

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To run a server, you don't need to get involved with the channels. Channels are a separate thing all together, kept in order by channel operators.

There are times when some take channel issues beyond
the channel issue level, as this guy clearly is doing.

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Amending the MOTD?

That's what, a 5 minute job that gets
done every few days .. if that? Some
servers motd rarely get updated ever
after the initial setup why? Lazy opers
and server admins, besides not being
all that important.

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I:Lines? Configuring ports?

Both are done on initial setup and rarely need
changed, but if that did need changed, there's
another 5 minute job.

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Keeping your leaf connected to a hub or even being the hub itself?

Properly configured leaf servers will automatically
reconnect to its hub server and if it fails, will keep trying.
I seriously doubt there is one oper on this earth that sits
and waits for a leaf to split so it can be reconnected.
Splits happen and when they do, they're usually
automatically reconnected or an alert oper catches
it and reconnects it. 10 second job.

didnt see anything about ban evasion or harrasing users in that list, and yes the channel is run and controlled by the chanops, who do not have the o-line to do anything more than kick/ban people who truely deserve a g-line. "show me your logs" just doesn't cut it either.

Just because the jobs are small and quick doesn't mean they are not jobs that need doing.

Clearly, our ideas of what an IRCop should do differ from each other and I see no point in arguing any further.

Peace.

Stupid image removed

If Ponch says so, it must be true.

Whilst that is an extremely funny photo, it is also extremely inappropriate.

Let's move along people, or take it in private.

Yes sir