what i was hubly saying is if there was a way that you could not be traced that was it . if there was no way i would sees all activite but is this the first time some one has asked you this question i think its a good one but as i said if there would be know way of blocking being traced i would stop i mean your right nor do i want this good prg to invol themself . what would you kindly sudjest for this hubel person if you could i f not . i 'll just go back to anime then thank you for your kind words and explination. your kind user of mirc