i dont think you guys are understanding me, i am not trying to find data for an item, if i have ten items in my hash table, and if i type //echo -a $hget(table,8) that will give me the NAME of the 8th item, I WAS ASKING If there was a way to type like: //echo -a $hget(table,item8).pos or whatever the heck you wanna call it, and it would return 8, get it now? has NOTHING to do with data, but positions of items!