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Posted By: Jeroi

Internet protocols support for mIRC - 23/05/05 10:04 PM

Hey can you guys but "dchub://" protocoll suport to mIRC in next release? so that when you klick exsample <a href="dchub://hub.anime-fan.us/" target="_blank">dchub://hub.anime-fan.us/</a> it will be a hotlink and open dc programm.

Ofcourse if someone has more protocolls tell thos as I think these features would be easy to create for mirc so that users do not have to script to get them working.
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 23/05/05 10:19 PM

mIRC is not a file sharing program, and, though I admit my DC-knowledge is limited, I am 100% against this being incorporated into mIRC.

Regards,
Posted By: starbucks_mafia

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 23/05/05 10:19 PM

Since it seems as if half the people who use mIRC these days think it's a filesharing application, it's probably not a good idea to add link support for filesharing downloads.
Posted By: Jeroi

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 23/05/05 10:50 PM

Now you misunderstanded me. I am not implementing things for wares. just internet protocols that are suportet in windows and like explorer/firefox does.
Posted By: tidy_trax

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 23/05/05 10:52 PM

Good idea smile
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 24/05/05 05:40 AM

I didn't mean to imply you were using it for such a purpose. But it most likely would be. I have no idea why this has any place in mIRC.

Regards,
Posted By: Pasmal

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 24/05/05 10:03 AM

How about incorporating all those gaming pseudo protocols so all the gamers can jump into their games straight from IRC and without having to use a script to scape the info, e.g. [url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm]ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm[/url][/url][/url] for UT 2k4.

'Course, scripts already do this anyway smile
Posted By: tidy_trax

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 24/05/05 04:31 PM

Almost every program I know that supports links/urls in some way or another support all protocols (<anything>://<anything>)
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 24/05/05 04:44 PM

I still think it inappropriate to be included in an IRC client, and I still don't see its place in mIRC.

Regards,
Posted By: Riamus2

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 24/05/05 04:48 PM

I think having it would be fine. I think that any URL should be able to be opened in whatever the default program for that is assuming you have the program to open it in.
Posted By: Kelder

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 24/05/05 04:59 PM

What does your browser do with a [url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm]ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm[/url][/url][/url] link? What should mIRC do with it? Doesn't /url -an [url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm]ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm[/url][/url][/url] do what you need already? Or /run [url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm][url=ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm]ut2k4://127.0.0.1/blah.dm[/url][/url][/url] ?
Posted By: Riamus2

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 24/05/05 05:13 PM

I think what he is wanting is for it to act like a HTML link where you can double click on it and it opens the link... rather than typing /run or /url commands.
Posted By: Pasmal

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 10:38 AM

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I think what he is wanting is for it to act like a HTML link where you can double click on it and it opens the link... rather than typing /run or /url commands.


Correct. For all protocol handlers to be recognised and have the OS take care of their execution.
Posted By: Pasmal

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 10:39 AM

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I still think it inappropriate to be included in an IRC client, and I still don't see its place in mIRC.


So you don't see the place of http:// enabled clicking in mIRC either? smile
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 11:02 AM

* Mentality rolls his eyes

I didn't say that, people send each other HTTP links all the time in conversation, help channels use them LOADS as a reference to websites, so it makes sense, and it's a matter of convenience, that you can click them.

I see no place for a filesharing-related protocol to be supported, and anyway, if people wanted it so bad (and it can't be that many people seeing as this is the first thread I've seen suggesting it), can it not be scripted through ON HOTLINK? (DON'T go jumping on the band wagon about how "everything can be scripted, so nothing should be added", that argument has got boring).

It'd be a lot harder to explain that mIRC is not a file sharing program if it goes and adds support for such a protocol.

If however, there is some sort of ambiguous feature added to mIRC so that you can specify any protocol...let's say, a text box where you type in the protocol trigger, and then click on 'Browse..' to search for a program it should be associated with, then I wouldn't have an issue. Dunno how easy that would be though, and it seems like a pretty UI-version of ON HOTLINK anyway.

Regards,
Posted By: qwerty

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 02:19 PM

(general reply)
Apart from the fact that not all protocols are related to illegal file sharing, I think that not implementing something in mirc because it might aid filesharers is pointless. File sharing was, is and will be thriving for a long time, regardless of whatever support mirc offers for related features. How much damage in file sharing do you really think it's done because users cannot click on a non-http url? If people want to run a url, they'll just copy it and /run it or paste it elsewhere or even get some addon/script that enables hotlinks for protocols. All these are ridiculously easy, so nothing is prevented; the only effect is the inconvenience experienced by "legal" users (yes, there are legal uses of protocols and even legal file sharing, even though it's like 0.001% of the cases). Not supporting or disabling useful (even to a minority) features because "it makes it harder for people to do bad things" has never really worked in the past and this isn't going to change. Especially in this case, where the workaround is so simple that my dog can do it.

Oh and before anyone mentions it (I've heard this argument before), disabling commands that start with identifiers/variables (to prevent $decode viruses) in editboxes isn't a similar case, for two reasons. First, this feature is practically useless: I've never needed to directly execute vars/idents in an editbox, nor can I think of a reason anyone would want to. Second, disabling something because you know it's going to prevent security breaches is entirely different than disabling something for ethical or other reasons. In case of $decode, security and the element of deception play an important part, which completely separates this issue from file sharing or other personal activities.
Posted By: starbucks_mafia

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 03:00 PM

I don't think anyone is against what the original poster is actually suggesting now that it's clear what he's suggesting. What I, and I think Mentality, were objecting to was that the original post makes it sound as if he wants to add specific support for dchub links alone, which is a completely different proposition from what it turned out he actually meant. Explicitly supporting filesharing protocol links when mIRC doesn't support other, arguably more popular and IRC-relevant, non-filesharing links (eg. irc[/i]://) [i]would be a bad move and encourage the idea that mIRC was a filesharing platform. Now that he's explained his suggestion better it's a different story altogether.
Posted By: qwerty

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 03:25 PM

You're right, I didn't actually make the distinction in your case (didn't notice the timing either). "(general reply)" didn't refer to you anyway, it was more for everybody (in this thread or not) who is against implementing protocol hotlinks and generally, any potential feature with this sort of implications. I should have probably titled it "(general thoughts)" smile
Posted By: Brax

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 07:33 PM

mIRC is not filesharing program
mIRC is not filesharing program
mIRC is not filesharing program
mIRC is not filesharing program
mIRC is not filesharing program
mIRC is not filesharing program

So why it's that bad if mIRC supports eg. ed2k:// links?
While at the moment they use DCC to send the file thus using mIRC as filesharing program...
Then they can send you just ed2k:// link and when you click it it will launch eMule so you can share files using appropriate filesharing program... and leave mIRC the "text only" program.... ugh[/ramble]
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 07:47 PM

As has been said, I don't have an objection to mIRC supporting some sort of feature whereby you can specify a protocol and a program as links, or if it supports every protocol (though how mIRC would define between iuergheiu:// and <realprotocol>:// I don't know).

I do have an objection to mIRC solely adding support for such protocols as "ed2k://" or "dchub://", and I have explained why.

I would appreciate it if you didn't do such immature actions as typing the same line in different colours in any further replies.

Regards,
Posted By: Pasmal

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 07:50 PM

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As has been said, I don't have an objection to mIRC supporting some sort of feature whereby you can specify a protocol and a program as links, or if it supports every protocol (though how mIRC would define between iuergheiu:// and <realprotocol>:// I don't know).

I do have an objection to mIRC solely adding support for such protocols as "ed2k://" or "dchub://", and I have explained why.


I agree with both these comments.
Posted By: Brax

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 08:08 PM

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As has been said, I don't have an objection to mIRC supporting some sort of feature whereby you can specify a protocol and a program as links, or if it supports every protocol (though how mIRC would define between iuergheiu:// and <realprotocol>:// I don't know).


Yes this can be problem sometimes, but how many times you type something like qwerty://something anyway. laugh
So it can return just a message like "Error unknown protocol" or similar... *shrug*

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I do have an objection to mIRC solely adding support for such protocols as "ed2k://" or "dchub://", and I have explained why.


Well thats your freedom to like or dislike smile
I just personally dont see why it's that bad...
We could get the same effect by posting eg. http://myed2kpage.blah which would open browser and then follow those links from there.
imo following ed2k link and downloading those files using some other program is just bit different then using mIRC itself for downloading.

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I would appreciate it if you didn't do such immature actions as typing the same line in different colours in any further replies.


Point taken though I cant quarantee it.... (if someone asks how to make script to display same line in different colors I will probably answer him/her if someone dont do it before me.grin)

Cheers
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 08:30 PM

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We could get the same effect by posting eg. http://myed2kpage.blah which would open browser and then follow those links from there.


That's a side-effect of mIRC supporting a perfectly legitimate, useful and constantly-used protocol (HTTP). That is not mIRC specifically supporting Edonkey or whatever. That's like arguing mIRC can be used for privately spamming people because it supports /msg, or supports sockets so you could send spam emails or SMS messages.

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imo following ed2k link and downloading those files using some other program is just bit different then using mIRC itself for downloading.


It is different from downloading with mIRC directly. However, it's still mIRC specifically supporting a file sharing protocol for absolutely no IRC-related reason other than to make file sharing via a 3rd party more convenient.

I am quite confident this won't get added unless support is added for protocols en masse.

Regards,
Posted By: Brax

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 08:43 PM

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I am quite confident this won't get added unless support is added for protocols en masse.


True it is... and i didnt really try to say that it should be added as as only one... (for sure i personally dont care about it at all laugh (I just dont use those progs... nor dcc sends.))

In a way, by looking how many 'dangerous urls' are spammed in IRC maybe even the http hotlink could be removed :P (apparently the warning message dont seem to stop people to click them.) but then again... you cant stop people to be stupid...

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Btw.. about filesharing... we could argue about why ftp:// is supported...

Cheers
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 08:47 PM

ftp:// does not link to a specific file sharing program. As a file sharing protocol it is used much more legitimately than anything previously discussed in this thread, just like http:// is used far more legitimately in comparison to any of the infectious files it may lead to.

Regards,
Posted By: Jeroi

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 08:57 PM

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Almost every program I know that supports links/urls in some way or another support all protocols (<anything>://<anything>)


Yes this was what I meant. I one day had talk with my brother who had made a song and wanted me to test it then he typed dchub:// addres for me and it didn't work at mIRC so I had to copy paste it so that I could get to hes hub. And this is because isp did block he's irc send somehow. That made me think why not mIRC support ALL ****://**** links? Because that is really in any talk program besides mIRC. And it seams so that other protocols are not suported too so Why not add support for all urls startin <a href="any://any.any.any?" target="_blank">any://any.any.any?</a>

Will it be easy to add and will it harm anybody? I think no.
Posted By: bamaboy1217

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 10:31 PM

id like to see maybe a remote event? since the format is generally in something along the lines of

somestr:// etc you coul dhave like an event that could handle clicks of suspected links

on *:UnknownLink:http:{
; http just as an example
; $1 = http
; $2 = the rest
run iexplorer.exe $1-
}

also you could do UnknownLink:*: etc i duno just a thought...
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 10:33 PM

As I said, I believe ON HOTLINK could be used to cover this, atleast to a certain extent.

Regards,
Posted By: tidy_trax

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 25/05/05 10:52 PM

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iuergheiu:// and <realprotocol>:// I don't know


mIRC will catch invalid protocols the same way it does with /run:

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* /run: unable to open 'xyz://xyz'
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Posted By: Artwerks

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 22/06/05 08:24 PM

I'm against the integration of such protocols in mIRC. And they are not really protocols, if you don't have the proper software installed, IE (for example) just won't know how to deal with the link. I think that everyone who wants such feature should code it for it's own use.
Posted By: starbucks_mafia

Re: Internet protocols support for mIRC - 22/06/05 10:57 PM

If the appropriate software isn't installed then the protocol won't be registered with Windows and mIRC won't hotlink it. Simple.
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