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Paying for irc... haha.

Posted By: Stan142

Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 09:43 PM

yo i just installed irc 6.13 or whatever, and its trying to make me pay $20.00 to use it?? what the hell is that??

ok lets see, do i go get my credit card, type in the number and throw away 20 quid to some greedy programmer?

or i can just download a keygen.

when will you internet geeks learn to stop ripping people off, if you want to make a product and sell it at least make something which cant be so easily bypassed.

your just trying to kill irc, as new users will be put of by having to pay and any person with a brain cell will just download a keygen.
Posted By: zac

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 09:45 PM

Psst: mIRC != all of IRC

And you've always had to pay $20. Just because you've avoided doing it, or tricked yourself into thinking it was free, mIRC is shareware.
Posted By: Stan142

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 09:50 PM

Mirc always shareware? ive used it for years and never had that crap like PAY WITHIN 30 DAYS bullshit.

why doesnt the guy make it like donation software like bittorrent, that way normal people dont have to care about paying and u will still get idiots willing to part with their cash for no reason, but saying u only get it for 30 days will just throw new users away from mirc.
Posted By: r0ck0

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 09:52 PM

You people are such <deleted by moderator>. I would just love to know how many times it took for you to be dropped on your head as an infant to make you <ditto>to believe that just because it's IRC related, it must be free. mIRC is a product, and just like any other product, it costs money. Did you act like a <ditto> when you got your Gateway pc, did you expect them to give it to you for free? How about AOL, do you act like an idiot every month when you pay your ISP bill? How about your zit cream, did you get it for free?<deleted by mod> Well, that was probably a bad example because, to you that probably was free, but your dad had to pay for it.

<Brat note: please dont name call no matter how well deserved>
Posted By: zac

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 09:55 PM

And if everything was free, then you'd be trying to light a fire with a few sticks in a cold, damp forest.

Ignorance is no excuse for not knowing the legality of what you're doing. It's very easy to know that mIRC has been shareware for a long time. I obviously found out, since I registered it. If it was that well hidden, then Khaled would have been out of work ages ago..

The program won't stop working. It'll just pester you every day until you break.
Posted By: starbucks_mafia

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 09:57 PM

Yes, how dare someone expect to be paid for the work they've been doing for the last decade. What a ridiculous concept that people should be paid so that they can make a living and continue to develop the programs that you use. Do you have a job? Do you work for free? Do you like to eat or provide for your family?
Posted By: Stan142

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 09:59 PM

correction, it wont pester me anymore because i key'd it.

its nerds like this that are ruining the internet, supposedly a nice free medium, if everyone was like him then we would have to pay for visiting [censored] webpages.

Thankfully there will always be warez people out there who understand that the internet isnt just an extension of your local mall.
Posted By: zac

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 10:01 PM

You seriously think that IRC is free?

I wonder who's footing the bandwidth bill for your illegal actions, or what source you're trying to get the "free medium" ideas from.
Posted By: starbucks_mafia

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 10:07 PM

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if everyone was like him then we would have to pay for visiting [censored] webpages.

If that were true then you wouldn't have been able to make that post would you? In fact the idea is starting to grow on me. I'd be willing to pay to never see idiots like you again.

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its nerds like this that are ruining the internet, supposedly a nice free medium

No it's <people> like you who are ruining the internet, never taking responsibility for anything you do, expecting everything to be given to you and to never give anything in return - all the while never truly understanding the ideas which created the internet or understanding how it works or the money that is required to keep every page on the internet running. Every single one. How did you connect to the net, was the ISP's service free? Do you complain to them that it's not? Would you still like the internet if there were no webpages or IRC servers because everything on it had to be free and nobody could afford to host anything anymore? Didn't think so.
Posted By: pheonix

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 10:09 PM

you're <deleted by moderator>.
Posted By: Olathe

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 10:14 PM

The main reason to pay for mIRC is to allow Khaled to improve it without distraction. If Khaled wasn't paid for it, he'd likely spend less (or no) time on it.

Small rambling: I like mIRC's features and programming language. Much less hassle to get results with than C or other compiled languages. Much easier to install and get working than other scripting languages for Windows, except for Python, which is just as easy to install. Then again, Python doesn't have IRC chatting built in.
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 10:33 PM

Thought I'd join in the crusade against ignorance.

Stan142, warez is in fact on the decrease. Only 2/5 of the biggest networks actually allow it now, and soon enough, one day, they will stop it too. And then all you annoying IRC users who sit aimlessly in channels messaging bots will all be huddled on to a network where the admins care more about the userbase than if people chat or not, so are quite prepared to allow warez.

What's more, you have *NO* idea what Khaled is like in real life, nor do you have any idea about what we're like, so referring to us as "Internet geeks" is a ridiculous statement to make. Throughout your posts you make me wonder whether you know anything about anything at all..

And another point - nobody is forcing you to use mIRC. On the contrary, me, and I'm sure a few others, would be happy to see the back of you. However, I'm sure you're excuse for using mIRC is that there is no other better program for IRCing on Windows than mIRC - that statement in itself is surely grounds for paying for it? Now, is $20.00 that much? He even lets you pay just $10.00 if you're financially constrained. And if you really, really, really don't want to/can't pay for it, all you have to do is put up with a dialogue box which can be closed in 0.001 seconds. But of course, users like you, as usual, resort to breaking the law.

But hey, what can we do about it? You're yet another ignorant and arrogant user who feels they can do what they want, and you bring your bad, childish attitude onto these boards, spurting cuss words at every chance you get, whilst all the time displaying your lack of brain cells, and revealing to us that you lack in certain *cough* other departments too. (You might want to look up Sigmund's Freud's theory of men who make up for something by acting "big" or buying big things. Unless that's a little too geeky for someone as cool and fashionable as you. </sarcasm>)

IRC is Internet Relay Chat - Bear that in mind before opening your gaping gob in future.

Regards,
Posted By: DekuHaze

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 13/10/03 10:41 PM

Owned.
Posted By: twigboy

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 01:45 AM

dude, U GOT TOLD!
Posted By: ParaBrat

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 02:44 AM

ok, enough is enough. mIRC is shareware, If you dont want to pay for it, dont use it. If it makes you a happy camper to think you pulled something monumental off by essentially stealing it, go for it. Its your karma.

General:
Could we please remember that no matter how inane, insulting or offensive the post you are replying to, it doesnt help to lower yourself to that level by trading insults and name calling. Disagree with common courtesy or take it private please.
Posted By: Irrenarzt

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 02:49 AM

I use to applaud the mIRC developer, because I thought it was free. I admit, if I was making the program I would demand money for it too. But I'm dissapointed... I will probably have to change to trillian or something else that is free because $20 is too much for me.
Posted By: ParaBrat

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 02:57 AM

Like everyone, i'm sure the author understands that money isnt easy to come by, i imagine thats part of why it isnt crippleware. $20 is a very small price to pay considering, but if you have to, just keep saving until you can afford to pay for it. Ask someone to give you the money for a birthday etc present.
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 05:48 AM

<Snip>
"Now, is $20.00 that much? He even lets you pay just $10.00 if you're financially constrained."
</Snip>

Regards,
Posted By: trenzterra

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 07:09 AM

Well, I wish I could convince my parents that the internet isn't dangerous, you can pay money safely... And of course, I don't use cracks, I respect the author of mIRC.

Also, (not aimed at you, ParaBrat), nobody's forcing you to use mIRC. smile There are many many other clients out there.
Posted By: Capt36

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 08:22 AM

$20 is not so bad...... and, all the upgrades you can stand..... As for the those that feel cheated????
I suppose that if mIRC were 'packaged' software at the store...... you would stuff a box under your
sweater, and add another term to your description: shoplifter.....

As for "always $20"........ I just checked..... I paid $15 to Khaled........ in September 96..... So, including
a lot of versions later... That is just about $2/year, and getting cheaper by the day.......

I remember when Khaled said, "no more new versions"..... The uproar from the users was loud, and plain:
"You have the best IRC software! Please do not stop writing new code......!"

It has the best 'Help' of any software I have ever used, (most 'help' is useless..... mIRC Help is quite
'friendly', and seems to always have a useful answer).

Billy G. has shut down his free Chat site..... Why.... It costs money! Billy G..... $46 BILLION...... and
saving mo' money, mo' money, mo' money. If you steal his OS.... you cannot even download the
ever-growing number of 'security patches'....... I bought MS Word 1.0 in '90 for $308.60! Unlike Khaled,
Billy G. wants FULL PRICE for 'new' versions.... Just 4 months later.... I paid MS $10.38... just for an
'upgrade'...... I really HATE giving MS mo' money...... And, what do I get, in return? The most,
[email]f@54^*%$976*%z076Z[/email], bug-laden, hacker-loved, security threat-in-a-box software, available
in the Universe.... And even worse..... Win95 destroyed the idea of pre-Win95 software..... Oh, the
pain of 'Bleeding-edge' technology........

Yet, mIRC is always ready to give up the latest, and greatest.... at no charge!

And, if you do not pay........ You can still use it, with a little bothersome 'reminder', or your cheating
ways.... (keygen pgm). I have seeen many IRC clients in the past decade. None started out well,
and this one continues to be outstanding! (just keep your favorite, past version archived,
in case of 'bugs' in new versions....)

I doubt that anyone in 'mIRC Organization'.... will ever become 'rich' from the sales of mIRC....
I hope they do not stop trying.......... Khaled, a "greedy programmer"?..... I think NOT!
Posted By: ReactoR

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 12:24 PM

i hope that one day i would have the money to pay khaled for his work, and for making us all happy with his exellent IRC client. btw, as a network administrator, i dont allow warez as well. I hope khaled will change DCC protocol soon to prevent it(iroffer is working with DCC.)
Posted By: KingTomato

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 02:27 PM

On that topic, the best way to safeguard from illegal file trading, etc is on the server level--not client. Yes, you may find earlier at one time I said mirc should, but I have since thought about it. mIRC adding things to its software would be both ineffective as well as bad for "business?".

Lets examine both ideas. Khaled goes ahead an adds the build in ptoection against illegal filesharing, and everyone's happy--right? Wrong, those who do fileshare will stay with lower versions of mirc. They just wont upgrade, finding they can share illegal "warez" just as well with version 5~6.x, then with the new and improved 7.xwith filesharing protections! If they don't prefer staying with an older version, they could just switch clients. You would need all clients to incorperate protections for it to be 100% effective.

How about the other alternative, where Khaled adds the protections, then people are outraged. Everyone announces "mIRC breaks privacy act"where users should have a right to what they do and dont't share. Many become angered, and for no reason (like they almost always are) mirc.com gets DDoS'd and is forced to take either legal action, or shut down.

I mean both are a worst case scenario, but not far from the truth. Adding a DCC illegal file transfer protection would be like takig down a tank with a BB gun. Sure you can make as many shots as you want, but its not going to do any real harm. As ++The Mentor++ said, "You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike." He was talking about hackers (not crackers--i don't want to be corrected by the one whom finds in neccisery to rename freeware) but it's still the general idea. You can take down a small portion of the whole picute, but you'll never get rid of all of it.
Posted By: Chrysalis

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 10:43 PM

having read codemasters thread on why no patch for 6.03, I come to the conclusion that khaled is ignorant. Here is why.

1 - I havent seen a post on here by him, instead he hides behind the board admin and moderators.
2 - Who are the beta testers are they just friends of his?
3 - He tends to say in the release notes "as requested blah blah feature added", who requests this, I no know one who has requested the stuff he adds and no one on here seems to have requested it either so I come to the conclusion its his personal group of friends who make the requests.
4 - Ignores requests on here, why no patch for 6.03? 6.1 should have been 7.0 as it was a major gui change.
5 - having come to the conclusion mirc is a program he has written for personal use and for the use of his friends, which he charges for to hope to get cash for, then I will never pay for it, but if I seen khaled posting on here answering queries then I might change my view. (he would be coding this anyway without anyone paying dont be fooled into he relies on the income)

Am i wrong? feel free to correct me khaled, but I only expect board mods to be trying to correct me.
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 11:08 PM

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1 - I havent seen a post on here by him, instead he hides behind the board admin and moderators.


Well, most people probably answer users before him anyway. He spends a lot of time working on mIRC, and I'm sure you can appreciate how many emails he has to sift through. He does, occasionally, find the time to answer queries, but I've noticed it tends to be more in the Bugs section etc where it's more related to the actual mIRC client rather than helping with IRC in general. I'm also sure he knows his opinion would only be met with argument after argument, therefore, draining more of his time in replying - and let's face it, with the stubborn people that hang around here, he would never win.

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2 - Who are the beta testers are they just friends of his?


To be honest, I have no idea who the Beta Testers are. But then again, thinking about it, who else would you have testing unreleased versions of mIRC? It has to be people who Khaled, or high-up mIRC team members like Krejt, truly and deeply trust - otherwise, they could have people going off telling anyone and everyone what new features are coming up.

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3 - He tends to say in the release notes "as requested blah blah feature added", who requests this, I no know one who has requested the stuff he adds and no one on here seems to have requested it either so I come to the conclusion its his personal group of friends who make the requests.


I rarely frequent the Requests board, usually only when I have nothing else to do. A lot of the time it's minor little requests that are obviously not going to be at the top of his list..like changing borders of edit boxes or something silly. Anyway, I'm sure he takes a mixture of some of the requests from that board, and his personal friends requests, and then adds something he'd like to himself in his client.

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4 - Ignores requests on here, why no patch for 6.03? 6.1 should have been 7.0 as it was a major gui change.


See my argument for this here.

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5 - having come to the conclusion mirc is a program he has written for personal use and for the use of his friends, which he charges for to hope to get cash for, then I will never pay for it, but if I seen khaled posting on here answering queries then I might change my view. (he would be coding this anyway without anyone paying dont be fooled into he relies on the income)


The first mIRC released were in fact for himself. He released it to the public to see what other people thought of it, and it became extremely popular, and still is. Instead of just never paying for it, how about just never using it? I am sick to death of seeing these people whinge and whine about Khaled, and not pay for their copy (and then moan about the dialogue box) - and then have the audassity to use his program, as if it's some human right! And actually, it does cost money to continue making mIRC, and if you had investigated even more, mIRC is the way he makes a living (perhaps other things too, but mIRC plays a big role in his yearly pay salary).

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Am i wrong? feel free to correct me khaled, but I only expect board mods to be trying to correct me.


Yes you are. Khaled may or may not post here, I hope he does, but if he doesn't it's probably because of the reasons above. Remember, Khaled is in general a very quiet person anyway - he doesn't accept interviews or lucrative deals to sell mIRC etc etc, he keeps himself to himself. It's fine by me, plenty of people are knowledgeable enough to answer you.

Happy chatting (with mIRC)

Regards,
Posted By: codemastr

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 11:15 PM

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To be honest, I have no idea who the Beta Testers are. But then again, thinking about it, who else would you have testing unreleased versions of mIRC? It has to be people who Khaled, or high-up mIRC team members like Krejt, truly and deeply trust - otherwise, they could have people going off telling anyone and everyone what new features are coming up.

<sarcasm>
Yes you're right! The horror, the horror! God help mIRC if users happen to know what will be in the new version! Khaled should petition governments all around the world to declare the new features of mIRC to be classified top secret information!
</sarcasm>

Remind me again why it is such a horrible thing if people know what new features mIRC will have? It seems like most other clients have no problem telling their users what to expect in new versions.
Posted By: zac

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 11:24 PM

Education leads to revolution.
Posted By: codemastr

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 14/10/03 11:38 PM

Heh, yah know? You might be right. Someone way saying there was a connection between mIRC and Islam, well what about between mIRC and communism?

Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed. -- Stalin

Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. -- Stalin

A lie told often enough becomes the truth. -- Lenin

Those seem to sum up Khaled's ideology of mIRC pretty nicely.

Well what do I say? Lets use the communist mantra against mIRC! To reword the motto, "mIRC users of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but the chains of a shoddy IRC client!"
Posted By: Chrysalis

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 15/10/03 01:26 AM

well the point I was getting down to is this, I can easily compare this program to freeware programs where they accept donations, but not to other shareware programs.

Normally when you buy shareware there is other benefits such as official support and possible exclusive use of beta software, with mirc I dont see any advantage for the registered user over anyone else. Yes there is morals for buying what you should be contractually buying, but is the author having morals for classifying this as shareware?

I seriously cannot understand the decision of such closed beta testing, there is nothing wrong with knowing what future new features are going to be, but I can see the issues that have been raised with closed beta testing, there is obviously a huge rejection to the new gui layout both on here and on all the irc networks im on, had the beta test been more open khaled would have known this before 6.1 was released.

I hope my points of view are taken upon.
Posted By: KingTomato

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 15/10/03 02:05 AM

To answer one question, Khaled doesn't only have close friend beta test. Though I can't back this up with facts or sources, You can trust that I'm correct.
Posted By: PastMaster

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 15/10/03 06:41 AM

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Those seem to sum up Khaled's ideology of mIRC pretty nicely.


You are clearly ignorant of the Communist reality. Although born in the UK, I live in a country which was until 1989 a genuine Communist state, and I can assure you that there is no relation whatsoever between that system of government and the way mIRC is produced, tested, marketed, sold and used.

Indeed, I personally find such an analogy to be deeply offensive - as, I suspect, would anyone who really understands the crimes and brutality of those regimes.

I very much doubt that Khaled would want to send anyone to the gulags, although I could probably understand this desire on the part of board users/moderators when faced with someone who seems to have nothing better to do than send dozens of moaning messages just because they aren't getting their own way.

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Lets use the communist mantra against mIRC! To reword the motto, "mIRC users of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but the chains of a shoddy IRC client!"


You are further displaying your ignorance - Marxism's call for workers of the world to unite was adopted by the Communists, but despite the propaganda Communism developed on from Marxism-Leninism and should not be confused with the pure form of it, notwithstanding the compulsory teaching of Marxism-Leninism in schools. (Why else was Trostky murdered?)

There was really NO need for you to post such an insulting message, especially when you are so clearly unaware of the real implications of what you are saying.

PastMaster
Posted By: Mentality

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 15/10/03 06:54 AM

Well, personally, I find it much more fun to be able to explore the client myself when it's released, and then after say 24 hours of looking around, I go and look at the versions.txt.

And Khaled has always done this, he has never released information about up-and-coming mIRC's, it's just like a tradition now...please don't rant about how this is a business and you need to keep with the times and not tradition blah blah blah, I don't need my head slamming against my keyboard with boredom yet again.

I haven't seen you post one positive comment since the release of 6.1, and it's just getting monotonous now, why don't you go and grow up and get another Klient (*pun intended*) instead of whining here constantly? At the start of this entire tirade I thought you would actually have the maturity to do so, but now you're just acting like one of these lamers that we see almost every day who spam the boards etc etc...*snore*

You've made your point of view perfectly clear, and now to top it all off, offending someone in the process of doing so. Everybody has the picture, you don't need to keep repeating yourself. The words may be different, the foundation meaning of what you're saying remains the same though, and it's boring smile

Regards,
Posted By: Poppy

Re: Paying for irc... haha. - 15/10/03 07:01 AM

And he wonders why his posts get deleted.
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