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Posted By: patrickz The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 12:42 PM
Is mIRC 6.1 actually worth downloading and using compared to the previous version ??

Seem's like there's alot of bugs, and that half of the new feature's don't work in some form..
Posted By: listner Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 01:57 PM
> Is mIRC 6.1 actually worth downloading and using compared to the previous version ??

I like to try out the new versions when they come out each time, and see the improvements that have been made to the prior ones. The suggestions incorporated from everyone who uses the mIRC client can be interesting to discover. For those that prefer the older method of doing things, they're not required to upgrade to the newer version.

> Seem's like there's alot of bugs, and that half of the new feature's don't work in some form..

I havent been using this version very long, but havent run across any bugs yet. If there are some that exist, just keep browsing through this site until someone can find a fix for them. Everyone here is very good about helping out when needed.

Hope that this helps,

Listner
Posted By: Mentality Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 02:51 PM
If you find bugs, report it to the Bugs forum. I haven't seen any bug reports as of yet (it hasn't even been out for 24 hours!).

What you probably mean is the fact that you've most likely seen a lot of people giving their thoughts about the new interface and the new functions/features - most of them being negative. These aren't bugs, they're opinions, and quite valid ones IMHO smile

The only people I've seen who've complained about so-called "bugs" are odd little people who always want to seem to do something differently and not use mIRC for it's main purpose (I believe someone wanted to use FIVE mIRC clients so a DIFFERENT script could be opened for each channel on different networks, or something like that, and for some reason they had to change the name of the .exe file? - Don't ask me why /server -m or /server -n was invented wink)

At the end of the day, if you just act normally and use mIRC for it's main purpose, then v6.1 isn't that bad - but as mentioned in a few other posts, and bound to be mentioned in a few more, there are some changes which have been made since 6.03 which just haven't been necessary, and some requests have not been fulfilled at all. I'll use it and get used to it though, it looks kewt in a CTCP Version laugh

Happy chatting!

Regards
Posted By: codemastr Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 03:44 PM
Here is what I would suggest, get 6.1, install it to a seperate directory. That way, if you try it, and you agree it's not too good, you can just delete 6.1 and 6.03 is still there. Personally though, I went back to 6.03, I don't like 6.1 at all. I just hope Khaled listens to the comments people are giving and undoes the changes he made, or I guess I'll wind up having to find a new client. I don't intend to stay with 6.03 forever...
Posted By: Mouse_103 Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 03:52 PM
it seem that alot of people are not happy about what Khaled did.

Posted By: codemastr Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 03:56 PM
Just to let everyone know, I think 6.1 screws up the mirc.ini if you try and downgrade to 6.03. After I downgraded, now all tooltips are gone, they are never displayed and I can't figure out why other than 6.1 screws something up in mirc.ini.
Posted By: Collective Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 03:58 PM
Perhaps it has something to do with this? Perhaps mIRC 6.1 removed the setting from mirc.ini and you will have to set the tooltips on again in the options screen.
Posted By: codemastr Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 04:03 PM
Indeed, 6.1 unchecks the "tooltips" in alt+o | display. After rechecking it, that goes back to normal. Just as a side note, 6.1 also removes the setting of the "hide about box" so after you reinstall 6.03 you have to recheck that for it to not display again.
Posted By: Watchdog Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 04:26 PM
I just hope Khaled listens to the comments people are giving and undoes the changes he made, or I guess I'll wind up having to find a new client. I don't intend to stay with 6.03 forever...

Sorry if you find this a flame but it has to be said: You are carrying on like a 3 y/o that had its dummie pinched. Did it really take 13 months of waiting to discover that you really don't want to use 6.03 anymore?
Posted By: NightCrawler8283 Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 05:02 PM
i dont understand... if he undoes the changes made in 6.1.. wouldnt that bring u back to what 6.03 is? your post said if it didnt go back then u would find another client... im so confused
Posted By: Watchdog Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 05:11 PM
Posts that have the first paragraph in italics means that I am quoting someone. It was a way of quoting before the "He said" function was introduced when the forum was upgraded. Some of us have stuck to the old way though. Hope this helps.
Posted By: ParaBrat Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 06:39 PM
Whenever a program makes changes, there will always be ppl who love it and ppl who hate it. Personally i try to use something for a while to see if its just not being used to the changes made. Some ppl dont adapt to change well. Sometimes they only want the changes they feel would help them and want everything else left as is. As with life in general, no way to make everyone happy all the time and old habits are always hard to break.

The only way to really know is to try it. As suggested, set it up in a new directory, then if after giving it a fair chance you dont care for it, go back to using the version you are comfy with.
Posted By: codemastr Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 06:50 PM
Quote:
Sorry if you find this a flame but it has to be said: You are carrying on like a 3 y/o that had its dummie pinched. Did it really take 13 months of waiting to discover that you really don't want to use 6.03 anymore?


I didn't say that. What I did say was, I don't intend, 3 years from now to still be running 6.03 when I'm sure IRC clients will have evolved signifigantly by then. I'm not going to hurt myself and stick with an old client because I don't like the new ones; I'll just find a new client. And I haven't a clue what a "dummie" is so I won't even dignify that with a response.
Posted By: Watchdog Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 07:05 PM
A dummie is a thing you give a baby to shut it up. It's got a tit like a bottle but has no milk, etc.
Posted By: pheonix Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 07:10 PM
i think hes being ignorant about spelling again, in england its spelt "dummy" maybe its spelt the same where he lives ;]
Posted By: codemastr Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 07:20 PM
No, here it is called a "pacifier" not a "dummie" or a "dummy" I've never heard that term before.
Posted By: pheonix Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 07:23 PM
ok, sorry for presuming frown
Posted By: HobophobE Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 09:39 PM
My only complaint (and I know this is knitpicking) is the inability to block CTCP VERSION.

I just don't like my chat client giving out any information without my permission. My computer, my net connection, my data, my choice... but other than that I've not seen anything bad about 6.1

Hobophobe
Posted By: Raccoon Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 10:14 PM
Dont forget that 99% of IRC servers require a valid and accurate CTCP VERSION reply from every client. The excuse that blocking it protects you from vulnerabilities is rediculous because there are 800,000 other clients with identically responding Version replies.

If there should ever be such an mIRC exploit that leaves your computer vulnerable, then all IRC servers would automatically mercy-kill you and everyone else using mIRC, to protect you from attack. If you mask your Version reply, then you're at greater risk of being exploited as scanners and skript kiddies are non-descriminate of what exploits they attempt on whom.

I'm still being barraged by a dozen Code Red hits a day... I don't see them asking me if I'm a Microsoft IIS server first.

The Version reply may save your life, the same way a medical bracelet saves the lives of people with asthma and allergies. I don't see criminals targeting people wearing these devices and feeding them peanuts so they break out in hives.

- Raccoon
Posted By: Watched Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 30/08/03 11:50 PM
My personal 2 cents of a viewpoint on 6.1 is simple. I like the redesign of it. Please note that i don't use the stripped down mirc to chat with.. i ofcourse lay a script over it.. and although i'll have to open invision's toolbar buttons in photoshop and modify them.. (10 minutes tops).. i see no reason to be annoyed about 6.1 i've had it up and running now for about 6 or more hours.. and usually by now i get one of those stupid "software caused connection abort" messages that 6.01, 6.02, and 6.03 were so infamous for... so far, i'm yet to get one from 6.1.. and no.. nothing has changed about my system configuration. that really was my only serious complaint to begin with about the versions from 6.01-6.03.. 6.1 seems to have it either resolved or something. in any event, i like the new 6.1 - the only thing which i honestly can't say i care for was having the registration pop up in my face stating i had 30 days to try it. Although the popping up in my face is nothing new, i rather saw the time limit as a bit of a pain. It kinda reminded me of windows xp's activation nagging. heh. idk.. maybe that seems weird, but i'm a pc tech.. so i deal w/ microsoft products all day every day.. and just seeing the registration popup like "hey, 30 days or this program isn't gonna work" just kinda reminded me of microsoft's thing. not that i'm saying that's what khaled as a person is like or making any such inference. i'm just saying it seemed a little familiar. I must say one thing.. 6.1 looks great under winxp. the previous versions still looked a little.. "blocky".. but 6.1 seems to be designed quite well.. looks great. Keep up the good work. Anyways, that's my 2 cents for what it's worth. Thx cool
Posted By: Angua Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 12:32 PM
mad errrr ... what servers require a valid ctcp-version ? i have for many reasons a very basic client, which i use in paralell to mIRC for some protocol debugging ( it is preferable to me for the debug in mIRC since i have a window to show me all things in realtime ) it has not a "valid" ctcp version reply, on default it returns none, but can be set to return anything. no server ( efnet, dalnet, undernet, and some other small networks ) have kicked me out yet for that ... i'd say that 99% of servers do NOT require a valid version reply

and as for saving my life, let me tell you that i do not edit out version replies, but i do not see htf it will save my life in any way on IRC ( being an user since close 9 years now, more or less )
Posted By: Raccoon Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 12:43 PM
You can thank Khaled for that, as he hasn't slipped up and left any gaping holes in mIRC lately.

But if he ever DID, then you would want the server to correctly identify your "broken client" for a mercy-kill.

___

type /motd and tell me what you see. Most will say something along these lines.

-         - All clients must conform to RFC standards. If your
-           client does not respond to CTCP's, you may be klined.
or
-       | |   o Clients must be RFC1459 compliant              | |

If you read RFC1459, it specifically states that all clients most respond with valid and accurate CTCP VERSION replies for the reasons I pointed out in my above posts.

Don't argue with me. RTFM. RTFMOTD.

- Raccoon
Posted By: Angua Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 01:15 PM
you did not tell me which server that was, but anyway, it doesn't matter, i won't stress the fact that i just asked an server administrator on Undernet ( no i am not BS'ing you here, i work at the same place where one of these runs ) and he told me that at least on the whole Undernet, which is one of the biggest networks you WONT get k:lined or g:lined or killed just because of a non valid CTCP-reply, there will be other reasons for it.

as for editing the mirc.exe, i forgot, i did that in every version, simply to resize the channel central, to make it wider, so i wouldn't need to scroll the bans lists, etc. i miss that indeed.

and if you do not want me to argue with you, you can put your rtfm just where the f tells you to cool

humm .. i just realised that all this energy i just spent, is for someone who is simply not worth it ... my bad, won't happen again.
Posted By: sparta Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 01:35 PM
Return CTCP or not wont get you k-lined.. for an example PSY-Bnc dont reply on anything when youre not connected.. not CTCP or Notice, it dont even tell you if your on the bnc or not.. if they started to k-line ppl that dont give "right" version reply, then many servers would be empty, many users that running eggdrop using a "fake" version reply, thats cos you arent allowed to run eggdrops on many servers, and if they dont suply any version reply, then maybe irc-ops start to look closer on that client.. and if you know somone that been k-lined for not reply on CTCP, then that person should be happy to get k-lined cos it show its a realy lame server/network, if you reply to a CTCP you can be flooded out from the server, same with notice and others.. so if you ignore CTCP, then you are more secure if somone trying to CTCP flood you with clones.. i for one ignore CTCP's in any form.. smirk
Posted By: Raccoon Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 01:43 PM
By default, mIRC will only respond with 3 VERSION replies in 60 seconds (i think). If you make your own "replacement reply", then you would have to be responsible for creating your own anti-flood settings... which most people tend to neglect.
Posted By: sparta Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 01:48 PM
I was forced to make my own.. i using a channel theme, and mirc sended me and others the text "flood cheq" or if it was "flood check" dont remember, but it was a pain in my b*tt, i messaged ppl i didnt know, and they started to think i was a moron or somthing, why did you message me that? and other questions, so i wrote my own flood pro, it will reply to 1 ctcp during 60 sec.. then it going to ignore, but for now i ignore every ctcp i got.. and it havent get me k-lined yet, and i hanging on the oper channels on that network.. and they do a check on ppl from time to time.. i think they looking for "war scripts" or somthing, dont know havent bother my self to ask why they doing it smile

by the way. default in mIRC the flood protection is set off.. you have to enable it your self.. anyway it was so in 6.03
Posted By: Raccoon Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 02:26 PM
the VERSION flood protection I spoke of is low-level and overrides all other settings.
Posted By: toe_cutter Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 02:50 PM
Scripts that use dlls such as dmu and ktools have problems docking an mdx switchbar it seems, at least until the creators release a new version of the dlls.. thats all ive noticed for now
Posted By: codemastr Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 04:05 PM
Quote:
If you read RFC1459, it specifically states that all clients most respond with valid and accurate CTCP VERSION replies for the reasons I pointed out in my above posts. Don't argue with me. RTFM.

/me goes to read the RTFM (RFC1459). Searching RFC1459 for "CTCP" : Not found. Searching RFC1459 for "Client to Client Protocol" : Not found. Where does RFC1459 say anything about this? At the time RFC1459 was written, there was no such thing as CTCP. Now lets look at the CTCP specification. You say "valid and accurate" correct? Well, mIRC is neither. According to the CTCP specification, the format for a CTCP version reply is:
clientname:version:OS
for example:
mIRC:6.03:win32
Is that what your mIRC responds with? Because mine doesn't.

The general rule of thumb is a specific response, or even any response at all should NOT be required to any CTCP request. Any server that does require a CTCP response does not follow this. That is the IRC server's problem, not the client.
Posted By: HobophobE Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 31/08/03 09:36 PM
Just FYI I do not 'neglect' to write flood prot. for scripts.

Whatever most people do... I'm an individual.

Hobophobe
Posted By: Watchdog Re: The new mirc 6.1 - 01/09/03 03:33 AM
If you are lucky enough to use a network that offers server-side flood protection via user modes then you should use that instead of halting events.
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