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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86520 12/06/04 11:22 PM
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You just have to live with the fact that the owner/operators of a channel can do as they will be it a ban for various reasons to kicking people just out of amusement. Simply put you are just a victim of circumstance due to a problem caused by few. If you cannot get into that channel, then just move on and find another place to chat.

As stated before, you can find many other networks listed at netsplit.de and you can search for chatrooms via SearchIRC. Just count your loss and move on its that simple.

So rather than carry on this thread until it hits a brick wall, leave it at that because you have been helped given the previous posts. Good luck and hope this helps.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86521 13/06/04 12:05 AM
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Actually I don't have to live with it. I have a mind I can use to overcome their ban. One person on this thread mentioned using a proxy; everyone else just said "Tough luck. That's just how things work."

I'm sure that when slavery was legal in the US, someone could just as easily have told a slave "Listen, slavery is the law. That's just how things work. Live with it." Or when the Jim Crow laws were in effect, someone could have told a black person "Listen, the law says you have to sit in the back of the bus. That's just how things work. Live with it." But I, for one, choose not to live with it. God gave me a mind to modify the world as I see fit, and I see fit.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86522 13/06/04 12:13 AM
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I don't think the world owes me anything. I just despise rude folk.

You hate yourself then?
You are the one being rude by evading their ban when they clearly don't want you there, if they did then you wouldn't of been banned in the first place.
However you obviously aren't going to listen, so go ahead and evade it, but don't come back here when (if) a bigger ban has been put in place.


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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86523 13/06/04 12:36 AM
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If you don't like the way the operators run that channel and decide who to ban why do you want to get in there so bad? - it seems like you're just looking for trouble, and with a self-righteous attitude like yours that's exactly what you'll find pretty much everywhere on IRC. What gives you the right to say 'well that ban wasn't meant for me'? Who says it wasn't meant for you? Send a query to a channel operator and ask them to change the ban, if they refuse then it's clear that they don't want you in there. Deal with it.

Your analogy with slavery is entirely flawed, these people are not infringing on any of your rights, you are attempting to infringe on their right to pick and choose who goes into their channel and it is you who are in the wrong.


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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86524 13/06/04 12:53 AM
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"You are the one being rude by evading their ban when they clearly don't want you there, if they did then you wouldn't of been banned in the first place."

They didn't ban me; they banned the server I am using. Big difference. I'm not guilty just because I use the same server as another person they don't like. I did nothing wrong; therefore I choose not to be punished.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86525 13/06/04 12:53 AM
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I don't know what planet you all live on, but the issue of whether ban evasion is a right or not is largely irrelevant. Just as an operator on IRC can ban anyone they want for largely whatever reason, a connected user can connect from any host they desire, be it through a proxy or not. As for IRC EULAs, AUPs or whatever you choose to call them, connecting to an IRC server does not signify an acceptance of such an agreement. These agreements are quasi-law at best, and one is not under an obligation to abide by those.

As far as I can tell, the poster has been banned unfairly and wishes for help on using a proxy so that he can get around the ban. I can't see that this is against my moral standards or any Norwegian laws, so here goes:

~url removed~

Above is a very helpful URL that will tell you how to set your mIRC up to work through a proxy. Of course, you don't have to subscribe to the proxy advertised on that page, you can use any proxy you can find that conforms to the standard.

I would ask myself though, "is it worth it?" Remember that you're trying to join a channel that chose to blanket ban you and many others.

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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86526 13/06/04 12:57 AM
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"if they refuse then it's clear that they don't want you in there. Deal with it."

I am dealing with it. I am attempting to circumvent their poorly thought out ban. I would have preferred a program that allows me to hide or alter my /whois information, but it looks like I'll just have to switch to a new ISP. Big whoop.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86527 13/06/04 01:00 AM
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"Above is a very helpful URL that will tell you how to set your mIRC up to work through a proxy."

Thank you, sir.
A sane man.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86528 13/06/04 01:01 AM
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They didn't ban me; they banned the server I am using. Big difference. I'm not guilty just because I use the same server as another person they don't like. I did nothing wrong; therefore I choose not to be punished.


So if you see a sign saying 'private property - keep out' do you take that to mean it's OK for you to go there because it's only there to stop criminals vandalising and stealing things and you've decided you're neither of those things? Your *logic* - if it can even be called that - is so flawed it defies belief. You're so completely arrogant that I'm almost certain beyond any doubt that this ban actually is intended specifically for you - not that it would matter even if it weren't.


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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86529 13/06/04 01:07 AM
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* Mentality shakes his head

You're quite unbelievable.

Time to be blunt. The only thing irrelevant here is your opinion. On this forum we don't help with ban evasion no matter what your thoughts on whether you can or can't, or the fairness of the ban are. The same goes for mass file sharing. It is another one of the very few things that are asked of us here, and for good reason.

It is NOT (Note: that is not a debatable issue) for us to interfere with bans that other users have set. For all you know, texmex could even be lying about the fact their entire ISP has been banned. If you banned someone from your channel and then found out they were being assisted to evade it on the official mIRC message board, I doubt you would like it. What would you want? I know what I would want, and what most people would want. Most people would want the user being affected by the wide ban to message them, where THEY could then decide if THEY wanted to lift the ban or not, or to give the user permission to use a proxy to get round THEIR ban that is set on THEIR channel, quite possibly on THEIR network.

It is quite unbelievable you have the arrogance to conflict every answer here, given by a lot of the very intelligent, very hard-working regulars that have posted here, who have given practical, informative advice about the issue and what to do about the ban.

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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86530 13/06/04 01:07 AM
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It is your logic that is flawed, for once I step foot on the private property, I have become a criminal, and therefore the sign applies to me.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86531 13/06/04 01:07 AM
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It's got nothing to do with law, it's simply a matter of not being a hypocrite and making IRC a generally better place. How you you like it if someone you banned came on here and said that he was banned from your channel but that the ban shouldn't apply to him because he decided it didn't and we all gave him a list of proxies to dodge it? How about if he wanted a list of proxies to connect his army of infected IRC drones to a server you'd K-lined him from - would it still be OK because he thought the ban was unfair so he should be allowed to do whatever he wants?


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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86532 13/06/04 01:12 AM
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"The only thing irrelevant here is your opinion."

Why so hostile and condescending? Are you perhaps one of those room operators who feels his Godlike powers of "the ban" are being threatened? You enjoy playing God; I enjoy poking holes in overinflated egos.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86533 13/06/04 01:15 AM
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"if they refuse then it's clear that they don't want you in there. Deal with it."

I am dealing with it. I am attempting to circumvent their poorly thought out ban. I would have preferred a program that allows me to hide or alter my /whois information, but it looks like I'll just have to switch to a new ISP. Big whoop.

- You managed to ignore the first part of the sentence which gave you the specific instructions to get into the channel if the ban really isn't meant for you. I'll repeat it anyway: Ask a channel operator to remove the ban. To get the name of a channel operator use the command [color:green]/names #channelname[/color] .

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It is your logic that is flawed, for once I step foot on the private property, I have become a criminal, and therefore the sign applies to me.

- Well by dodging a ban you have become a ban evader, which is in essence an 'IRC criminal' who would be banned again immediately if they found out.


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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86534 13/06/04 01:16 AM
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"How you you like it if someone you banned came on here and said that he was banned from your channel but that the ban shouldn't apply to him because he decided it didn't and we all gave him a list of proxies to dodge it?"

I would find it intellectually stimulating. A cat and mouse game.

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86535 13/06/04 01:22 AM
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"Well by dodging a ban you have become a ban evader, which is in essence an 'IRC criminal' who would be banned again immediately if they found out."

That's an interesting point. Technically, they have not banned me as an individual, but rather the server I use. Therefore, if I merely change my server, then I am not really being banned anymore, am I? It's the name which they are banning, not the human.

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"Why so hostile and condescending?"

Because I am sick to the back teeth of these threads getting out of hand due to certain arrogant people who refuse to obey the very simple rules of this forum. Also, because I find it so unbelievable that certain people can be so arrogant. I know many others feel the same. Usually I feel I'm quite a nice person in the way I help, or atleast I try to be. At this point I feel the basic right to receive a courteous, polite reply has been lost due to the rudeness and contradiction that has been displayed by both you and Rounin.

"Are you perhaps one of those room operators who feels his Godlike powers of "the ban" are being threatened?"

No. I do know however how extremely irritating ban evaders are and how much time they can take up. As I generally only have op in help channels I also find it detracts from the time I can be spending helping others. Infact, it affects innocent people needing help when domain bans have to be set to keep the arrogant twit out. I hate this kind of behaviour.

"You enjoy playing God; I enjoy poking holes in overinflated egos."

I have no desire to 'play God'. The people that truly know me know this. I just can't believe that some basic rules that are widely accepted have people arguing over them and in such a rude manner with no substance or foundation to the argument in the first place.

Anyway, as I do so hate these forum arguments which this thread has become, I'll end my contribution to it from now on smile

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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86537 13/06/04 01:34 AM
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"due to the rudeness and contradiction that has been displayed"

What rudeness? I just pointed out that those who treat me unfairly will have my intellect applied to them. How is this rude?

Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86538 13/06/04 01:38 AM
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That's an interesting point. Technically, they have not banned me as an individual, but rather the server I use. Therefore, if I merely change my server, then I am not really being banned anymore, am I? It's the name which they are banning, not the human.

Hm. Interesting point, indeed. It really depends on what the intention was when the ban was set, I'd say.

- The channel owner or operator who banned your entire ISP did so as a last resort to keep a problematic user out of the channel. Therefore the ban wasn't meant to keep you out.

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- The channel owner or operator who banned your entire ISP did so because they believe every user using that ISP is a pain in the ass / not worth dealing with / whatever. Therefore, as an user of that ISP, the ban was meant to keep you out.

But you can't know that [1], so the point is moot.

Anyway.

You've mentioned channels banning the entirety of AOL in your first post of this thread, and that being "wrong" - I'm an IRC operator, and believe me, 99% of AOL users I've seen are rude / idiots / demanding asshats / a combination of those and more negative qualities you can think of. In addition, AOL has a fully dynamic host, it changes every time somebody reconnects. So if a person who is on AOL and needs to be banned because they're rude / disruptive / spamming / flooding / whatever else is clever enough to change their ident and nick, the ONLY way to keep them out is banning AOL as a whole. I'm betting that's also what happened with your ISP, which I also recall as being quite dynamic in its host assignation. (If you're telling the truth and you're caught in a wide ban, that is - but I'm assuming you're telling the truth.)

As people have already stated, if you really want to get in that channel, contact one of the operators of the channel. (Do a /names #channel to find an operator.) Be polite and explain your situation, and ask if they can lift the ban or set you up with a ban exemption. If they refuse, simply move on.

You have nothing to lose by asking politely.



[1] Well, you can. You can contact a channel operator and ask if they can lift the ban or set you up with an exemption. If they do it, the ban wasn't meant for you and they're willing to solve the situation. If not, they still want you out. Such is IRC.


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Re: Can I hide my /whois information due to a bann #86539 13/06/04 01:44 AM
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What rudeness? I just pointed out that those who treat me unfairly will have my intellect applied to them. How is this rude?

Two points.

One - you claim it is "unfair" that you're banned from a channel. It really is not.
Channels are privately owned, not public spaces. Just as you have the right to deny access to anybody to your house, for whatever reason, channel operators and owners have the right to deny access to anybody to their channel, for whatever reason. And just as you would get pissed off if somebody you'd refused to let inside your house broke a window and came in, channel operators and owners will get pissed off if you evade the ban.
Your slavery and racism examples are completely flawed.

Two - Mentality's original post ("The only thing irrelevant here is your opinion" etc) was directed to Rounin, not you. Keep that in mind when replying.


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