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What was the point of this downgrade? Now to see who's in the channel so I can continue talking privately to people in the channel or ask for an unban I have to open a debug window and decipher the raw IRC messages.

I'm forced to stick with mIRC 6.12 because of unwanted changes like this. Aren't programs supposed to improve as they progress?

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If you've been banned, a simple /mode #channel b should reveal the info you need. I don't see how you need the /names list to continue talking in the channel.

mIRC has progressed since 6.12. Obviously, you can't please all people all of the time, but several changes have been made which the vast majority are pleased with - for example, the addition of $replacex(). I have seen 6.15 praised online too.

Obviously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, sorry you're inconvenienced.

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/mode # b shows the ban list.
/names # shows the members of the channel.

I just don't see the point of this modification. What is the problem with showing the nicknames on request when kicked / not in the channel?

The added features and bug fixes are great but this seems more like a feature that has been removed.

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Well presumably if the nicklist is refilled then the channel would look as if you were still on it which could be very confusing/annoying for someone. Besides, since I've never seen a network where at least half the people didn't have +i and so didn't appear on /names listings, using /names to list the people who are on that channel isn't very effective.


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Isn't it great that we always cater for the more stupid user who happily infects himself and spreads viruses, asks constant and annoying questions, types $decode commands when told to, gives away personal information to strangers and can't tell if he's on a channel or not.

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Why not just set up a timer to return the /names list to a custom window or to the status window on a regular basis (say every 5-10 minutes - more often will put unnecessary load on the server)?

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Yes, you're right. mIRC is catering for too many stupid things. Why don't we stop all of that right now? Let's start by not catering for people who apparently can't stay in a channel with people who they want to talk to without being kickbanned?

Seriously though, if you want to message someone after being kickbanned it only takes one message to one person. It's no harder to read the channel text of who kicked/banned you and type /message nick then it is to type /names #channel and then use the context menu on that nickname.


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Many channels auto kick ban based on host or lack of ident etc. /names # allows you to see the nicknames on the channel /msg nick doesn't. Nick doesn't know who's in the channel and on some networks "nick No such nick/channel" is returned.

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As was pointed out, /names #channel often doesn't work because most servers set +i on users when they connect. Even for servers that don't do this, many people have 'Invisible mode' set in mIRC options. When you are kicked from a channel you can see the person who kicked you - /msg them. If it's a bot, you might try /msg bot-nickname help and see if you can obtain the owners nickname. This often helps for eggdrop bots.

For channels with channel services you can look up the information of the channel and find out who the Founder is. Using the /mode #channel b command I gave before will look up other channels bans and therefore, show you if ops have set other bans and what their nicknames are, then /whois nickname nickname to look up their idle time or if their online.

The error message you described is returned on all servers on all IRC networks if the user isn't online. Whether you have /names for this situation or not is not going to affect whether or not someone is online or not.

To be honest, if you saw in the next versions.txt, "32.Added /names filling nicklist when kicked feature" you would find people posting saying "Why did you add this back?!" - It's all very well suggesting "Make it an option to switch on/off" but this is not practical for every tiny suggestion. I'm a big fan of customising things, but on/off switches cannot be added for everything, there isn't enough space in the dialog box!

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Well, here is a post where someone has the exact opposite POV to you on the matter. smile


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