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mIRC About Window #81369 30/04/04 11:59 PM
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What is the point in having the about window flash after signing on to a server?


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Hi there!

When you start mIRC the About window will come up, if you have not registered mIRC. If your 30 day trial period is up, the red bar will be flashing in the About dialog to inform you that you should now register.

Once you click 'Continue' you can then connect to a server. Until you have done this you cannot connect.

When you connect a server, the About dialog should not be popping up. There are two other things that might popup however. The mIRC Options dialog may also popup when you start mIRC, to disable this, go to:

ALT+O > Connect > Options - Uncheck the box saying "Popup connect dialog on startup"

You may also find the channel favourites folder pops up after you connect. At the bottom of the favourites folder dialog is a little check box saying "Pop up favorites on connect" - UNcheck this box, and in future it will not popup.

If you are getting any other "about" window then it must be a script of some sort. Try typing /remote off before you connect, or removing the script and using mIRC again.

Hope this helps & happy chattin' smile

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I asked "What is the point in having the about window flash after signing on to a server?"

I didn't ask why it was there, nor did I ask how to stop other windows from popping up.

If the program does this in order to get money, I can use another program which doesn't do it.

You don't get my money by putting an obstacle or annoyance in between. You get it by providing a good program. A flashing red line is not part of a good program.

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*sighs* - Quite HOW you can find it in yourself to be so rude to people who try and help you is beyond me...

mIRC is a shareware program, you can use it for 30 days for FREE. The About dialog cannot be switched off, and will not stop appearing until you pay for mIRC - you're lucky Khaled doesn't make mIRC completely unusable if you don't register, at least you can still connect to IRC.

Anyway, if you don't like it, feel free to not use mIRC and go and find a good free client which has the same benefits and style as mIRC does smile - Oh, and when you do, please let me know what it's called, at this time I'm unable to find one in existence.

Thank you for throwing my attempted help back in my face smile

P.S. There is only a flashing red line in the about dialog BEFORE you connect or when you actually press the "About" button. There is no flashing red line after you connect (that is caused automatically), so you are wrong in what you are saying. Try CTRL+L.

P.P.S. mIRC IS a good program and once your money has been received, the About dialog goes away. The reason mIRC is so incredibly popular is because of it's excellence in comparison to other clients.

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*pops his weasely head in the post*

you are wrong sir mentality. after the 30 days or during.. i have not been able to pinpoint when exactly. but when using an unregistered copy of mirc. you do in fact every once in a while get this Red line through the channel text. i don't know if its a feature i didnt know about or what.. but there IS truth in the red line.

on a side note.. i don't care how good a program is or how loyal its followers are. there is no excuse to put an added annoyance/obstacle in the way of the user. just gets annoying to most people. and it encourages cracking the serials.

my 2 cents

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I have never heard of (until now) or seen for myself a red line go through any text unless CTRL+L is pressed. However, as two people have reported it I guess it must be true.

Nevertheless, if you don't want the obstacles, pay for mIRC. I've had experience with IRCle for the Macintosh. If you don't pay, it closes down every 30 minutes. I've also used Snak (again for the Mac) and it doesn't even work after 30 days. You will find that *most* shareware programs on the entire Internet will either cease to work or put an "annoying" "Your evaluation period is up" message when you open it. If it didn't do that, it would defeat the object of paying completely.

If you don't want to experience these "obstacles" then pay for it - otherwise, don't whine about it. You agreed to the license, you abide by it. Or get another client that doesn't require you to pay. Good luck smile

By the way, I realise this is an abrupt post. I simply don't like the "you shouldn't put obstacles in the way for a program I'm meant to pay for" attitude. Above is what the facts are, laid down on the line - I don't want to start a forum argument, nor will I participate in one. But that's the way it is.

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hrmm....

im not starting an argument.. just stating the obvious.. which is people dont like annoyances... and like i said. it encourages cracking. im sure khaled would agree. that since the annoyances first appeared. ill bet my sould that he has seen a decrease in registrations. because people are cracking it.

what if u cant send khaled money till after the 30 days. you have to deal with it for the meantime.

im just looking at this from the other side.

i am not saying this is what i would do. seeing as i have already PAID for my copy of mirc.

as for other clients. there are plenty of others out there that have similar functions as mirc. and another client i remember reading about that will start porting mirc scripts.

a personal favorite of mine would be Xchat. but im a linux fanatic. what do i know.


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im not starting an argument.. just stating the obvious.. which is people dont like annoyances... and like i said. it encourages cracking. im sure khaled would agree. that since the annoyances first appeared. ill bet my sould that he has seen a decrease in registrations. because people are cracking it.

- I'd take that bet. It's meant to be a minor annoyance, as Mentality said it would defeat the object of mIRC being shareware if there was no notification or 'penalty' for not paying. It may encourage cracking, but only to those people who wouldn't have paid for mIRC anyway, otherwise they would've paid instead of seeing that dialog in the first place. Perhaps mIRC is being cracked more than before, but it just means that those who don't want to pay or see that About dialog have to put in some extra work to crack it, and it certainly doesn't mean less registrations.


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Hmm.. i got that red line once of twice, but mine is registered. I figured it is the Line Marker feature (that was disabled but the RED color was selected).

It happens once in a while.. nothing that really really bothers me though.

Pardon me if that isnt what you're talking about :P

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the thing about cracking mirc. is there really is no reason to crack it. once u register it. your serial works on EVERY copy of mirc old and to come. so all someone has to do is share their serial.

so. to stop this. i will state my position on shareware and such and ill let it be. I am for FREE software. Distribution of Mp3/video. im for burning copies of DVDs. i dont believe anyone should have to pay for any code. and for that matter, Authors selling their code/programs. unless its for business related "stuff" . but thats a different topic.

im done with this subject.

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possible. i could have been wrong on my argument about the red line. i noticed that the red line occured once every minute. i have timestamp enabled so thats what i saw.. then all a sudden it stopped after like a half hour. *shrug* ah well


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I am for FREE software. Distribution of Mp3/video. im for burning copies of DVDs. i dont believe anyone should have to pay for any code.

So what you're saying is that everyone should donate their time and effort to provide people with music, movies, and software for FREE? You don't think the authors of ANY of these would simply STOP if they weren't being PAID for their efforts?

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what if u cant send khaled money till after the 30 days. you have to deal with it for the meantime.


When it all comes down to it, Yes people just have to deal with it. However, I did see a page somewhere on here stating that currency issues vary from one part of the world to the next, and that if people simply cannot afford the cost of mIRC, that Khaled would take any reasonable amount of compensation so that people can enjoy the full functionality of mIRC regardless if you pay for it or not. And I do emphasize the word reasonable.

What page did I see that? I couldn't tell ya but I have seen it. Someone may know what I may be talking about and provide a link but take my word for it. It is there somewhere.

And no matter how hard people try to put an end to cracking/hacking programs or sharing serial keys, it is going to happen because there are alot of cold-hearted people out there who don't care about legal reprocussions. It has been going on since the internet became the coolest thing since the other side of the pillow and will continue to happen. It is wrong yes, but tell that to someone who doesn't care.

But then you got to stop and think about all the good people who do abide by these laws to actually pay for their products. The way I see it, it is a never-ending cycle...

I am not pointing fingers at anyone regarding morality, i'm just looking at the "big picture" of things...

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i will state my position on shareware and such and ill let it be. I am for FREE software


"From each according to their means, to each according to their needs"?

C'mon, even Marx himself recognised that such a Utopian system could never actually exist in the real world.

It is unbelievably naive and unrealistic to expect software authors to spend months or even YEARS of their time and/or spare time with no hope of any recompense whatsoever.

For those who say "well the gratitude of users should be enough", I have only scorn. Frankly, most users are ingrates who constantly moan because the program isn't exactly what they wanted or expected... or who believe they have some sort of God-given right to get what they want for nothing anyway, and so therefore don't need to feel grateful.

Get real.

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there is no excuse to put an added annoyance/obstacle in the way of the user. just gets annoying to most people.

Solution: Reach into your pocket and pay for the bloody thing. Many who sulk about a measly payment for mIRC with the usual cries of "I can't afford it" are the same who'd happily put $20 worth of petrol in their fancy car and go for a tour of the local town centre at all hours of the night trying to impress their mates, or those who'd happily go and buy two packets of fags and kill their lungs prematurely, or go to a nightclub and pay the bouncer a 'tenner' to get in and then the druggo $50 for a deal.

If you want free software then get it, by all means, if you want mIRC (and some other clients) then it is not too much to ask that you don't cry crocodile tears about being asked to pay for it, even if, at the end of the day, you choose not to pay.

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no one is crying about paying for mirc. we arent even really talking about JUST mirc. talking about the big picture..

out of reply to watchdog. there was a comment saying authors dont just spend all their time on just free software.

What about Star Office for linux. or pc suite602 office for windows. FREE. all they ask is for a donation at your own free will. WITHOUT any popups or annoyances. MSN messanger is free. AIM, also free. There is plenty of software out there.. even small programs that are distributed for free. some dont even ask for a donation.

meh.. this is pointless anyway. ill just get flammed for what i think.

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MSN and AIM are both developed by massive companies, the developers still get paid to create that software even if the software itself isn't paying their wages.

Most free software projects involve dozens of people working in their spare time, what do you think those people do when they're not working on free projects? They're working real jobs to put food on the table, many of them make their money from working on other software which does cost money. It's really easy to say 'no software should require payment', but then you're not the one who has to try and make money from the extreme minority of people who would donate are you? Why should 'business related stuff' cost money but desktop software be free? If software should be free then why not music? And why not television? And then why not books, or cars, or food for that matter? Why does anything cost anything? There's no difference between writing a peice of software and writing a book. There's no difference between designing software and designing a bridge. So what possible reason do you have for why one should be free and the other shouldn't?

You can consider this a 'flame' if you like, but perhaps you should consider why people flame your posts. If you actually think your argument through you'll find your reasoning that software should be free but other things should cost money is completely illogical.


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Bersirc 2.2+ will support mircscripts:)

i read posts kind of skimmingly.. i just agree that annoyances suck, and if i think that if users didnt like an anoyance, and couldnt legally stop it, they would crack it. there are thousands of cracks and serials keygens Etc Etc Etc out there, just tell google what your looking for, he will find it. khaled does not need to open that friggin dialog every time mirc opens, thats why i never close mirc, i dont even have to deal with that dialog hardly ever. as soon as bersirc fully supports mircscripts, i will say screw mIRC, khaled and mirc co ltd. switch to FREE OPEN SOURCE IRC and never deal with the flashing red bar of anoyed death

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...And with that you are entitled to your choice. Good for you for finding something that works in your favor. The point being stressed is the fact that a simple "donation" by registering your copy of mIRC will more than likely fix the "annoyance" factor. And yes, there is alway going to be an issue with a group of people for not registering because they could care less.

Just ask yourself this question: If you created software by yourself or with the aid of other people, in which you poured your time and resources into and is used by millions of people, don't you think you would want to reap the rewards from it?

Think about it Khaled could have made mIRC to immediately cease working after the 30 days was up until you registered it. But it doesn't because Khaled seems to be very generous about everyone enjoying his "masterpiece". Which is probably why it is so popular and people do shell out the $20.00 because it's a great program. Also, Khaled does donate money made from mIRC for humanitarian purposes. Let's not forget that.

I think that is more than fair don't you? I can't speak for Khaled, only he can, I am just making the assumption based upon the little thing known as "common courtesy". The about dialog is just a minor detail thrown into the works...its not like it stays open all the time...I think of it as a friendly reminder letting me know that this is still shareware until I register it.

In my opinion, the price of gas here in the states is more of a concern than the about dialog.

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... or they dont have the means to pay for it. im 17 and i do not have any way of buying any type of software, so i cant be held resposible with that.

no. no i wouldnt, software should be free, and all software that isnt free isnt really worth using in my eye. i stuck with mirc because of the fact that it has an extesive scripting system. and soon enough i wount need mirc at all.

if khaled did that, people would uprise and cracking mirc would be at an all time high

i dont think its fair, because software should be free.

true, thats why if i had a job and a car, i wouldnt buy software, i would be using my whole paycheck on one single tank of gas.


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Software shouldn't be free, he spends a lot of time making it, just because it's a lot easier to steal software than it is to steal a car, it doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it.
He spends a lot of time making mIRC, and i'm guessing that's his only job, so of course he should get payed for it.


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you of all people should butt out of this, all your scripts, i suppose you want paid too? greedy communists

any way im not stealing anything if thats what your infering. i downloaded mirc off of a public website

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No i don't want to be paid, but i haven't worked on any of my scripts almost daily for over 5 years.

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any way im not stealing anything if thats what your infering. i downloaded mirc off of a public website


It doesn't matter where you got it from, you are allowed to use it for free for thirty days, and i highly believe anyone that has a computer can afford $20.


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i bet khaled doesnt sit at his computer 12 (or more) hours a day just busy coding mirc, or if he did, ALOT more could be done in mirc (like making it FREE) in the time it takes him to do his public releases
my computer was BOUGHT FOR ME. i didnt pay [censored]. also, i OFUND the other computer, i didnt pay for it either.

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Just because he has a social life also doesn't mean he shouldn't get paid for mIRC.


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if he doesnt work on mirc for 12 hours a day, why is it called (or why are you calling it) a 'Job"


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A job doesn't have to be 12 hours a day, ever heard of a part time job? I used to have one, only 3 hours a day (but i only worked on a saturday).


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Hello,

because everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm not going to say who is right or wrong, maybe there isnt even a right or wrong to it.

I do have the following suggestion: wait a few years, get a job, be independent, and then reopen this sort of discussion. Then I would like for you to express your view if developing software should be free.

You aren't grown up yet, you aren't working yet, your mommy and daddy are still paying things for you...

So I propose to finish the discussion, and wait a few years. I'm not saying that your view will be different, though it just might.

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my view of software should be free, will always stand. there no point of unleashing something on the internet if it isnt free. im current working on VB stuff, and when i start making working uysefull stuff, its going to be open source free shi.t, so like i said...it will stay..

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Nobody has to "butt out" of anything, nor do you have a right to tell people to do so. Tidy_trax is entitled to his opinion as much as you are - if you are determined to turn this thread into an argument rather than a discussion and get it locked, perhaps you should take your own advice? smile

This whole thing depends upon your opinion - which everyone is entitled to, no matter how ridiculous it is. In my opinion, starbucks has given the best reply so far and explained well what I was trying to say. Khaled does not work on mIRC in his spare time, it is his full time job. When you get older (and believe me I'm not being patronising, I'm 16 myself, just being realistic), and are forced to get a job you will not work for free. If you do, you will not survive for long. This is not a world where the righteous and the good survive with quality of life in mind - with one or two exceptions of course. You work for your money. You cannot live without money. Some people see this as unjust and unfair (hence "money is the root of all evil") but it's the way life is - you have to accept that, and if you don't like that fact, you're going to end up worse off. So quite WHY Khaled should work for free I have no idea.

Again, it comes down to opinions. Because software is made on the computer rather than in real life with your hands (i.e. hardware) some people view that as a reason not to charge. However, this is also strange, as some of the price of the computer is Windows included. If you just bought a computer with no Windows on it, it wouldn't cost as much - so even when you buy the hardware, you're also buying the software that comes with it - and you wouldn't refuse to do that now, would you? Hours, days, weeks, and nearly DECADES have been put into mIRC - nearly 10 years of someone's life is priceless let alone considering what mIRC has achieved. Everyone else is a volunteer - we work for free because we WANT to. Difference being we also all have other (non-extreme) means to provide us with food, drink, clothes and warmth.

Just like other people who have moved clients you are no great loss. You have a free choice to use it - what I find so offensive is that you have asked US to help you in the past, and then you have the audassity to say things like "screw mIRC, screw mIRC Co Ltd.". This is where your argument is at it's weakest, as it is not an argument and it is not an opinion - it is silly insults. We are not bothered whether you leave or not, we just don't need or want to know about it, especially not in the way in which you described. How dare you be so rude about something so many people have put so much hard work into. I have seen and been part of the hard work which is involved in helping here, building helpful websites, contributing to all sorts of aspects of IRC/mIRC, and it's so irritating when people like you are so rude and complacent about it as if we're expected to do it!

Respect others and they will (should) respect you, keep that in mind when discussing something as blatantly controversial as this.

Edit: Due to the relatively quick succession of posts some of my points have already been covered *hands cookie to those people* - due to me dealing with other stuff aswell, it took me 25 minutes to write this, so I'm not deliberately (and annoyingly) repeating anything already said.

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heres that work/job thing again.. its not a job and its not work. and im just being 'realistic' when i say whatever i said when i said it how i said it.

also i might has AKSED for help but no one HAD to help nor answer me, so there no point in even mentioning that this whole thread is useless it has been discussed half a dozen times before now so basicaly im just here to run my mouth becuase i can because i dont need mirc for very much longer


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"heres that work/job thing again.. its not a job and its not work."

That's what we're trying to say to you - IT IS Khaled's work and job. He hasn't, to the best of my knowledge, got a part time job delivering pizzas or whatever. mIRC is a company, it's his business and he WORKS on it as a job.

"also i might has AKSED for help but no one HAD to help nor answer me,"
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"so basicaly im just here to run my mouth becuase i can because i dont need mirc for very much longer"

Hence why this will be my last post in this thread. You are clearly one of the most ignorant and arrogant people in existence, you are not sharing an opinion, you're just causing trouble - and I won't be a part of it.

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well this was fun to read...

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Indeed. We need some sort of slashdot point modifier system, ranking posts as funny or interesting or useful.. etc. grin


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all software that isnt free isnt really worth using in my eye.
Windows isn't free, so format and install linux, then you can use BitchX which also has extensive scripting abilities. grin
VB isn't free either.

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windows was free to me as was VB :P next point?


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You keep referring to Khaled not working for 12 hours per day so he's not working a real job. Let me point out something to you: You live in America, where the average hours worked per day (assuming a 5 working day week) is approximately 7.5. So according to your definition, the average American doesn't work. Your ridiculous estimate of working hours and the fact that you admit yourself that you have things bought for you shows you have no idea of what work is or what is required to support yourself financially. I realise this has very little to do with the original thread topic, but you really need to realise how ignorant you are and how foolish you look when you make self-righteous comments as you have here.


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wow your so complimennnntiitive, thankssxxxxsxx smile


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just to add my opinion globaly... i think that khaled has every right to charge for mirc altho i would charge 10 or 15 $ not 20 but his choice... and when i look in the past how many years he worked on this, and since this IS his JOB and it is perfectly stated on his website that this is what he does, he has every right to get payed. coz itz not really easy to make program that wil with all IRC things support scripting...

all from me =)

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well im afriad he might lose his customer base regardless, when people can use the scripting feature on a FREE irc client.


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he will lose and in same time (IMO) will get new costumers...
and it will be his choice will he make freeware of mirc or not..
so all this arguing is invain... he knows what is happening, and itz up to him what to do..

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im done here. you people never stoprambling on and on some one lock the fuvcking topic this is gay


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i agree that this is gay since on Topic question was answered in first 3-4 posts, all beyond that sux and is pointless

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Clearly this threat is fast picking up downhill speed. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of whether this or any software should be charged for. There is little point in trying to define the meanings of job and work. Obviously, at some point in time Khaled made the decision that programming mIRC is how he would make his living. Personally i think its wonderful when anyone can earn the money for life's daily needs by doing something they love to do. Just because you enjoy doing the work you do to keep a roof over your head, that doesnt negate its value and mean it should be given away, regardless of how many hours per day is spent on that work. The creator of any software has the right to do as they wish with it. If there is something ppl dont like about it (like the about screen), then they have to decide if it bothers them enough to stop using it. The fact is that mIRC has a price and the "about" window is there to remind users of that. Many things in life have a price, and the providers of those things will remind you (at the very least) if you dont pay them.

Whether people use mIRC is a matter of choice. Whether people pay for mIRC is a matter of right vs wrong and personal values.



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