Forums Feature Suggestions Smilyes for mIRC. Please Implement.

Hello! I am new on this forum, and I want you to implement smilyes for mIRC as the following :tongue: .

I think the main text zone is a richedit and i think it is possible to implement this.

Thank you,
SKIL

No, it's not a RichEdit and no, i wouldn't like this being implemented.
We also had this discussion many times before... please use the search feature!

Indeed, it has been mentioned before - a particularly long discussion went on in this thread.

Personally, I'm not for smileys in mIRC.

Regards,

when using the search feature, its a good idea to check your spelling for the subject word as well as set it to "all forums" and expand the date range. in this case, you could use emoticons or smiley or smileys as search terms.

imo, channels filled with tons of emoticons would annoy me to no end. i doubt ppl would limit themselves if they could just click an assortment of lil graemlins to toss into every sentence. there would certainly have to be some mode created to block the darn things so we wouldnt have to wade thru a bunch of yellow face thingies to figure out what the question was. not as bad as all the ascii art ppl used to toss about nonstop, but still window clutter. I get the message easily enough when someone does >:[ i dont need 14 big yellow making me reach for sunglasses

Well, I think obviously Khaled would add a switch that determines if mIRC displays emoticons or not. Nearly every program that has emoticons has such an option, Even the IM clients, I can't think why mIRC would be different.

So basically if emoticons were added, It would not affect people such as yourself who don't want them. But it would make the IRC experience a little less drab for those who do (which is a lot of people).

The only problem with disabling emoticons is that you are then left with the ascii which can then sometimes makes no sense to anyone - like this, for example: [-X

In yahoo messenger, that is an emoticon wagging its finger but unless you knew that already, you'd have no idea what it meant. That's my only real gripe with emoticons in IRC clients.

yes it is. How do you think I made this:
http://www.mircscripts.org/comments.php?id=2357

I would have to say I'm againsdt mIRC smileys, I like the "multi-player notepad" thing it's got goin on just now. If you are having trouble with what ;-) means, ask the person who typed it
;-)

The only problem with disabling emoticons is that you are then left with the ascii which can then sometimes makes no sense to anyone...

True, quite true, though Java applets that have avatars already do this.

Soul, You're talking about the editbox, We're talking about the channel window, Which is a Static. There's no reason why it can't support emoticons though.

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Deku, I'm sure khaled would bear that in mind if he implmented this and mIRC would use common IRC emoticons.

right

Just wanted to further expand my opinion on this

Mainly I dislike the thought of mIRC going into the world of MSN and looking like an IM client - even if there is an option to disable it, and it's released with emoticons disabled by default, the feature would still be there and I don't think it'd portray a good image.

As has been mentioned you have the problem of flooding - Yes, you could disable it and then all you'd see was the smiley colon/bracket, however, what if X user is sitting in the channel with smiley support on, and someone comes in and floods. A bunch of is much worse than ":):):)".
I think in another thread flood prevention was suggested - but then you would be restricting people from legitimately sending a lot of smileys (we've all probably jokingly flooded a friend or something, making fun of a flooder or repeating someone's nickname over and over again on one line - mIRC has never restricted you being able to do that, and it wouldn't be good or fair to suddenly restrict people if it incorporated emoticons).

Then you'd have the issue of what the emoticons actually looked like (I mean someone always moans about something after all ) - You may notice that does not look the same as the MSN smiley and people would not like the look of this 'n' that.. And then, once you have emoticons incorporated, the board gets flooded with feature requests for "This emoticon" and "that emoticon" (i.e. "Can we please have a thumbs up" - "Can the crying smiley please move" - "Can we have a cat smiley!" etc etc), and then we'd need moving smiley support and I'm sure someone would make even more suggestions all related to some emoticons.

Sorry, whilst I completely respect other people's wish to have emoticons in mIRC, I am against this idea even being customisable in it.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

I agree, i think that adding smilies to mirc is more trouble than it's worth.
It can also be scripted using smilesview.dll and a little bit of html knowledge (it docks a html page over the channel window, so you can use <img src="">)

i made a script to do that as well

not neccisarily. mirc should have just basic emoticons (if any) nothing like 8-) or ETC just ':):p' ETC. thats not hard to understand with or without the GFX


true, but then khled does something like 'Options -> IRC -> Messages' for the smiles.

khaled could also set it up to not display the icons if there is a flood fo them either if the flooder does something like

<user> :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

or

<user> :tongue:
<user>
<user>
<user> :tongue:
<user>
<user>
<user> :tongue:
<user>
<user>
<user> :tongue:
<user>
<user>


so protections can be added so that flooding isnt even a threat. simply adding them will stop the thousands of posts that come for them

OK, agreed. I'm not narrow minded, and I see that the flooding issue could be resolved, possibly with ease as the basic foundation of the flood protection already exists.

However, please refer to my third paragraph for more reasons why I would dislike this feature. To add to that, I would question the size increase of mIRC if this was to be incorporated.

I also believe that once people see "Emoticon support added", even if there was a separate emoticon pack available (as with SSL), mIRC would be laughed at by thousands of current (and ex) users. I just see far too many negative points to this to make it a reality.

Regards,

yeah.. iv pretty much gave up on mirc lately any way in sticking around just long enough for bersirc 2.1 to fully implement mircscript and then im gone maybe they will listen to the userbase and add smilieys

"maybe they will listen to the userbase and add smilieys"

Assuming that is some sort of remark towards mIRC/Khaled not listening to the userbase, I think you and many others are forgetting how many features Khaled has put into mIRC that people suggest. I bet days, weeks and months of testing are put into each release, it's sad how unappreciated it is. I can just imagine if Khaled emailed board helpers every time he didn't like a helper's answers and insulted them with sarcastic remarks, I wonder how many people would stick around helping heh.

As I mentioned elsewhere, this is Feature SUGGESTIONS. Just because you post something and you think it needs to be incorporated doesn't mean it will be - it is Khaled's program and he does read all these threads etc etc, but how is he supposed to please everyone when some people like a feature and others don't? The man can't work miracles for goodness sake.

Anyway, I hate these arguments especially when they start to detract from the actual point of the thread..I've given my opinion on the feature, best of luck to those who support it in getting it incorporated

Regards,

Here's a thought on smilies; make them a ctcp event so we can SIMPLY ignore them all together via channel switches, ignore switches, or script events. Those who WANT to see them will and those who DONT want to WONT WITHOUT longwinded flood prevention scripts etc. A simple ctcp ^*:smily:/haltdef would just eradicate them from IRC

- You keep mentioning massive size increases, why? There is absolutely nothing to suggest that this would be the case, most likely the increase would be no greater than when any other feature has been added in the past. I too have no desire to see emoticon-supporting IRC clients, but that's no reason to keep perpetuating this myth.

Firstly, I do not see the word "massive" in my sentence. Secondly, I don't "keep" mentioning it, it must be something like twice now? Three? I got the idea from that other pointless thread about this issue, I think it was saxon that suggested it. It's a possibility I guess - mIRC has been increasing in size (by a small amount) every version. As it is only a possibility (in my non-techy mind) I said 'I question', not 'It will'.

Regards,

Smileys or not, I've been keeping an eye on that too, I could also be making a switch because of the possibility of mIRC scripts being supported. What they cannot do though is guarantee that everything mIRC is capable of supporting would be able to run in Bersirc which is a shame but to be expected as Bersirc already supports other scripting languages directly.

I would be pissed of at them after the first minutes i had to see them, think of all users that using and other smiles, then if u look in a big channel where maybe 30 users talk at the same time, then it would be impossible to see what people typing cos of that figures *smileys* poping up every where

why add them to mIRC when there are already loads of add-ons out there for smiles and emotions heres one http://www.hawkee.com/view.php?file_id=480 they get really annyoing though people do ban you for doing it to much. people like me

bahhh. i favour the text enviroment, i dont like smilies. but if you do, they are not hard to do. insted of showing the default windows, have custom HTML windows, then add your replacements in mIRC via HTML......

i think emotions like smiles would be awsome and there is an option to turn them off so if you like the text enviroment then you can have it

well, I think if used PROPERLY and not be turned into the newest type of text flood it could be good for some people. Me personally I'm fine with the ASCII equivalent. If smiley flood protection (for the ones mirc interpreted on the user's end) was installed as well, it would be a more managable idea. Like if there was an option for:

1) Dont show more than ____ of the same smiley (enter a number in the field)
2) Dont show more than ____ smilies at a time

etc etc and then give us a place to enter in all the ASCII smilies we want (similar to the Ignore File extensions list for the DCC Recieve) to so the flood protection could catch it. yes, it could be a huge list, but this way WE become monitors of the smilies which would then make a few more people happIER about then being implemented.

My big thing with smilies is I dont not want my IRC program turned into an IM program (as I've mentioned before). if the above ideas were used in tanden and on the program level, I myself MIGHT be able to give my ok on this (even tho I rarely IRC anymore).

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