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#66719 - 06/01/04 09:20 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
Fjord artisan

Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
Oh .. are you going to go tell the teacher because I
said most people probably wish you would just shut up?
What a laugh you are lol

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#66720 - 06/01/04 09:32 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Mentality Offline
Planetary brain

Registered: 01/06/03
Posts: 5024
Loc: London, England
Okies, let's be pedantic then :P

It's not for mass file trading or trading of illegal files.

As you can see from Khaled's FAQ:

"I'm not happy with the fact that some people use mIRC in a negative way, however mIRC is used by many people, there will always be a some people who use it in ways with which I don't agree."

and

"Although mIRC has a file-server, it is simple and crude, and was designed years ago for basic personal use, to allow individuals to share files with friends, family, and colleagues, and is nothing like the sophisticated and dedicated file-sharing systems in existence today, which are specifically designed to facilitate the sharing of files on a mass scale."

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#66721 - 06/01/04 09:33 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Doqnach Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 18/01/03
Posts: 1063
Quote:

This is true .. but do you see them taking steps
to ensure that people don't use their products for
illegal purposes ? No. That's not their problem.
That's a problem for the law to solve. Their
job is to make sure the criminal thinks of purchasing
their product again after their car is destroyed by
the illegal act they just perpetrated.


you can turn MS word into a file sharing program if you wanted to, does MS do anything against that ? no... why? because you can't. if people want to convert a program into a mass sharing network they will always be able to! there is no stopping them. but the question is if you should encourage people into using a program for illigal purposes...

general motors does not hand out a blue print on where to install the bomb best now do they?

though they can't do anything against it they don't help either. something may be possible, but that does not make it less illigal!

neither the forum users as khaled should help you or anyone else use mIRC for illigal purposes
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#66722 - 06/01/04 09:37 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
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Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
Do me a favor .. show me one place on this thread
where someone was encouraging someone else
to do anything illegal with mIRC. Show me one place
on this thread where someone was asking someone
else for help in doing anything illegal with mIRC.
Why don't you start from the first thread and read
and then offer an opinion or comment that's a bit
more educated.

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#66723 - 06/01/04 09:43 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Skip Offline
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Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 349
Loc: Darwin, Australia
Quote:
the point is the DCC feature is abused every time it is used as part of mass file trading, plus it's illegal


I assume that should have read 'which is illegal'. Many have drawn conclusions that 'mass file trading' equals 'illegal file trading', nobody denys it is used for that (and it would even be safe to say the majority of mass file trading IS illegal file trading), but the difference still remains, valid uses and legitimate users still remain.

Quote:
I do not and will not contribute to something like that

And you really believe that helping 'legitimate' users hasn't ever helped illegal file sharing? It's meant to be about morals, but in the case of this webboard it seems more about legal accountability to me. Throw a disclaimer down someones throat then point them on their way to one of the sticky posts.

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#66724 - 06/01/04 09:46 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Doqnach Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 18/01/03
Posts: 1063
this whole thread is about mass file sharing or illigal file sharing

both are illigal

and there might not be a cry for help in this thread but look at the other sections of the board... it's swarming with them!

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#66725 - 06/01/04 09:50 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
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Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
I didn't say the thread had nothing to do
with file trading .. I said noone here has
encouraged anyone else to do anything.

And I'll help anyone I want, with whatever
they need help if I can, illegal or not .. but that
is not what this thread was about at all. It
was about a bunch of people with opinions
and one guy saying everyone else is wrong.


Edited by EVH (06/01/04 09:53 PM)

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#66726 - 06/01/04 09:53 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Doqnach Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 18/01/03
Posts: 1063
and where does it say in my post that it is THIS thread that people were encouraged to do it ? ;-]
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#66727 - 06/01/04 09:53 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Mentality Offline
Planetary brain

Registered: 01/06/03
Posts: 5024
Loc: London, England
Yes, valid uses and legitimate users still do exist, which is why I don't think it should be removed. Like you say, 99% of the time mass file trading IS illegal file trading, so I think we can let that one slip? smile

Whilst I cannot speak for others, I myself almost ALWAYS point out the morals of how mIRC/IRC being used for mass file trading when it is a CHAT program is wrong. You make referrals out to be some sort of bad thing...the very reason sticky posts exist is because they answer questions which are answered over and over again - and also, the fact that they are posted by Moderators lets the user know what the helper is telling them is true. So when I say to someone "We do not help with illegal file trading on these Forums" I can back that up with this post posted by Karen. The legalities of the issue are also mentioned simply to reinforce the fact that mass (sorry, illegal) file trading is not a good thing.

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#66728 - 06/01/04 09:55 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
tidy_trax Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 2327
Quote:
both are illigal

1: it's illegal
2: mass file sharing isnt illegal if i decided to DCC 1000 hi!.txt's.
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#66729 - 06/01/04 09:58 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
Fjord artisan

Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
Quote:
mass file sharing isnt illegal


... not to mention that there is music that is
perfectly legal to download/share.

mp3 does not always mean copyrighted music


Edited by EVH (06/01/04 09:59 PM)

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#66730 - 06/01/04 09:59 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
tidy_trax Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 2327
Quote:
mIRC/IRC being used for mass file trading when it is a CHAT program is wrong.


ok, so these are also wrong?:


  • anything involving /splay.
    themes.
    anything involving sockets.
    anything involving COM.
    anything involving /f*.
    anything involving /write/$read.
    anything involving $decode.
    anything involving /echo.
    The list goes on....


none of these have anything to do with chatting.
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#66731 - 06/01/04 10:05 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Mentality Offline
Planetary brain

Registered: 01/06/03
Posts: 5024
Loc: London, England
I've given up posting here now, both you and EVH have resorted to being pedantic about the language people use, how they spell things and pick up on every detail of what they say just so you can go on arguing. You know exactly what I have been getting at, and now you can't come up with a satisfactory retort, you've resorted to silly arguments like "/splay is bad then?" and "not all mp3s are illegal" and "it's not illegal if I send 1000 hi!.txt files"

*rolls eyes*

I'm tired and irritable, so sorry for the lack of maturity in certain posts, I hope to rectify some of that by ending my part in this tirade.

Happy chatting!

Regards,
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#66732 - 06/01/04 10:06 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
Fjord artisan

Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
*sigh*


Edited by EVH (06/01/04 10:08 PM)

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#66733 - 06/01/04 10:07 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
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Hoopy frood

Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 2327
i'm just saying, as soon as there's the slightest hint that someone wants help with DCC you normally say "i hope it isnt illegal blah blah... rant rant.."

-edit: if you don't help them, somebody else will.


Edited by tidy_trax (06/01/04 10:08 PM)
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#66734 - 06/01/04 10:20 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
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Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
Quote:
thanks for not resorting to throwing cuss words at me this time


It was hard not to. wink

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#66735 - 06/01/04 10:28 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
Doqnach Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 18/01/03
Posts: 1063
some people have principals... ;-]
let people who do not care what you use mIRC for help them.

I myself will not help people with that, and neither should anyone on this forum because it's in the rules that you shouldn't. easy as that.

also for me this discussion is over. I totally agree with Mentality :-]
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#66736 - 06/01/04 10:37 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
Fjord artisan

Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
Quote:
I totally agree with Mentality


And god bless you for it .. for yours is a valuable
opinion .. as are the opinions of Mentality & everyone
else that contributed to the thread.

Also keep in mind that it is just your opinion. smirk


Edited by EVH (06/01/04 10:50 PM)

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#66737 - 06/01/04 10:38 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
tidy_trax Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 2327
* tidy trax pictures mentality stood in london preaching about shoplifting.
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#66738 - 06/01/04 10:41 PM Re: File sharring on IRC
EVH Offline
Fjord artisan

Registered: 22/10/03
Posts: 273
Preaching to people about shoplifting before
they even leave the store because it's possible
that they might shoplift and are capable of doing
so.

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