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Hello! #63043 06/12/03 09:46 AM
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Hello, all

I'm new to all of this but, I'm slowly figuring it out. There is one thing that eludes me however. I have found others who have the file I'm looking for, but I can't figure out how to get it from them and was wondering if someone would be so kind as to fill me in how I would do such a thing. confused

And before anyone complains (not that I'm saying anyone will), I have been trying to find this on my own for some time now, but I'm just not seeing it. So I'm asking only as a last resort.

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Whilst you have not specified what file you're downloading, I can hazard a guess that you're not downloading .txt files from friends. IRC is for chatting, not file sharing.

Read this and start chatting rather than scouring huge channels full of bots.

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oi if i have to read on more reply for help screaming about oh to bad file sharing = bad. ima puke... i have used mirc to get all kinds of files. its not just for warez and music... many a time i have had corrupted files or was missing a needed file. pictures, and mp3s from a friends band.. stop assuming and just tell him the simple word "DCC" thats it.. no long answers of bad no nos. anyways.. dude.. the answer is DCC send/recieve... look in your help document within mirc about how to dcc.

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After deciphering what you've actually said, I think it would be best if you private message'd me if you have a problem with my answer(s).

Unfortunately, most of "it" is just warez and music. He used the expression "find" a file. You don't "find" a file from a friend. If you're using the DCC function in the correct manner there is no need to "find" anything, you are sent it. If he wanted to know how to accept a file from a friend, he would say that.

Also, with the amount of people who constantly ask about how to download a movie, mp3, software crack or whatever, paranoia takes over and you naturally assume that is what everyone is looking for. If I have got the wrong end of the stick, then they would have corrected themselves and told me I had got it wrong and explained the situation in full - Of course, anyone can just lie and say that, and YOU are putting that idea into people's heads smile

If one of your files was missing, I would suggest going through the proper channels to retrieve it - asking someone to DCC it to you is not one of those. In the case of a corrupted CD, take it back to the shop. Missing files? Try reinstalling. To be honest, it annoys me that people have to make things so much more complicated than they need to be. I rarely use the DCC function - I used it for the first time in months the day before this post (receiving pictures of my friends christmas lights that they've set up). People constantly hanging on technicalities such as "I frequently receive 250MB legal files" - I mean really *Sigh*

Anyway, call me cynical but I am wary when helping with this topic, both on Forums and online. However, feel free to be naive and believe everyone is just downloading their friends band mp3's smile

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im the kinda guy who is nice enough to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. i use dcc all the time cause i work with webhosting and i send html files all the time and pictures or what not... and if you are wary about helping people with the dcc issue.. then just dont reply. this guy plainly said he was new and used the forum as a last resort... let people make their own choices on how they use the information u provide them with.. its not your business why he is asking the question nor should it be.


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While i can see your point, one thing that flashes thru my mind when i see new users asking this kind of question is that they have no idea the risk they are taking by downloading from total strangers, regardless of what the file is. Its pretty clear from the number of infected users asking for help here, in help channels, and wandering about infecting others without even knowing it that this isnt a minor problem. If the user wants to get a dcc send from a friend or figure out how to use their fserve, doesnt it stand to reason the friend would help them understand how to do it?

It isnt a raging assumption in most cases to come to the conclusion from the wording that most questions of this type involve files that are illegal to download and/or are being d/l from a stranger/bot. For a number of reasons, we dont support or encourage that on this forum.


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The mirc police have spoken again!! i think that if somone can help, then help!! i know mirc have a DCC feture "using it often", i also know that it was Khaled that added that feture in to mirc.. so why not help them with it? you helping them with other stuff.. like auto say somthing on join or other events.. "thats often used to spam", you helping people do op/deop script.. "often used for take overs" and so on, i can make a realy long list.. so whats the fuzz with DCC ? a virus can be written as a topic, when you open that logfile your computer gets infected.. and i dont think anyone in this forum never downloaded a file they werent suposed to.. IE a mp3 or another file.. so dont tell others what to do, if you want to act as a police, then go in a police school so you atlest get payed for it..


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You are entitled to your opinion, however this forum doesnt help with rampant downloading from strangers. Mentality is following policy of this forum. Dont flame someone for respecting and following it.

The policy isnt some kind of judgement on what others do, its following common sense and respect. Its easy to say "oh go ahead and just tell them how to d/l from a stranger, none of our business". Well, it IS our (our being all IRC users) business when these users cause problems on the networks and servers we use. It IS our business when they they are infected and are infecting others. It IS our business when we're buried in spam from them. It IS our business when such behavior puts a negative impact on IRC.

Following your logic, no one should help with anything, because it could be misused. The web abounds with crud, networks have kiddie porn channels, ppl who use IRC get led down the garden path by erstwhile romeos, ppl who IRC/IM get abducted, scripting can spam and infect. Infected files by email is horrendous. Sheesh, using your logic no one should be taught to drive cause they might use the car to run over someone or rob a bank or kidnap someone, ban all puters cause they can be used for evil, outlaw email.

Downloading from strangers is the direct cause of a lot of problems, there is no doubt about that. It isnt a maybe. This forum does not support or encourage it. That policy isnt acting as police or telling ppl what to do or not do, we have the right to choose to not help with something that is in the main illegal, against many AUPs and the cause of so much trouble.

"i also know that it was Khaled that added that feture in to mirc"
It is also Khaled who said http://www.mirc.com/khaled/faq.html :
Question: How do you feel about the fact that some people use mIRC to distribute copyright/illegal material? or to harm others?
"I'm not happy with the fact that some people use mIRC in a negative way, however mIRC is used by many people, there will always be a some people who use it in ways with which I don't agree."


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Then i think you should tell Khaled to remove the DCC.. a user having problem with mirc, and the problem is DCC, and i cant see on any site that it says.. "if you have a DCC question, then dont ask it here".. so if he include that feture in mirc, then he should have suport for it too.. it's like microsoft should stop make patches and other fetures for windows and its download fetures.. that wont happen, they try to secure the OS "programs" so it wont be affected by viruses.. but for now they cant keep up with the people relesing them.. and if you and others dont want to help a user with DCC problem, then dont reply at all to it.. thats what i do if i ether cant help or wont help.. they paying for mirc, and then they should be able to use all its fetures, not just the ones you as a helper here deside they can use..
and this is what i saw when i opened your link:

United Kingdom, USA, The Netherlands, Italy, Kuwait, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa Australia.
Welcome to the mIRC Homepage!

Site Index
No such page. The page you are looking for does not exist on this website. Please check that you have entered the URL correctly. You may want to try looking through the site index on the left to find it.


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Re: Hello! #63052 07/12/03 12:19 AM
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You can just remove the last character " ) " from the url, or use this one:

http://www.mirc.com/khaled/faq.html#16

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It's not about using features, it's about what certain people use those features for. If someone manufactures a gun legally, does that mean if someone phones them up and says they're trying to murder someone but the guns is jammed that they should tell them how to fix the problem? When products or services have the potential for misuse it is at least in part the responsibility of the seller/provider to take reasonable action to prevent it being misused. In this case that means deciding not to help people who openly state that they're going to use DCC for sharing illegal files. That doesn't mean that someone simply asking how to get DCC to work won't be helped, it just means if someone asks how they can use DCC to download The Matrix or something similar that they will be told what the situation is on copyright infringement and what the stance of the administration and general userbase of this board is. Simply not replying doesn't help anyone.


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So you mean that if you call your ISP and want suport from them, then they can tell you.. "HEY, you maybe going online and DL som stuff u arent suposed to" what would you say to them? the users still pay money for the program, and i can understand that they want it to work.. and if somthing is included in a program, then the author should help people having problem with it.. same goes for the ones helping here, and if i say "i have problem get stuff with my DCC", then what says its somthing bad?? and as far as i know the most viruses and other crap is sended by /msg spam, and i have seen many people here helping users make there own spam on join.. also on part and on serten words spoken in a channel.. and thats more stupid then help them with DCC.. cos like me i often sending *.conf files for eggdrop and other bots/bouncers config and things like it, and that cos i helping people that dont know how to set up a eggdrop, tell me what so bad about that ?? and what i mean with "mirc police" is that 98% of that users post only says "you arent allowed to/suposed to do that".. then a huge load of crap.. nothing that help the person in question.. and i stick with it, if it's included in mirc, and people pay for mirc, then atlest they could get mirc to work 100%, like you buy windows from microsoft, then they say "you wont get explorer and you wont get the files to have a connection to internet".. you pay for a program, then it should work 100%, if not then the user should get his money back.. thats the way real life work..


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First off mIRC 'working 100%' has nothing to do with it. The guy asked how to search for files - that's nothing to do with mIRC's functionality whatsoever. And yes, if you phoned your ISP and asked if they could tell you where you could download <random movie> they would be perfectly entitled to not help you with that and to instead warn you about the dangers of downloading illegal files.


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and if i say "i have problem get stuff with my DCC", then what says its somthing bad??

- No. Read the post you just replied to again, that's exactly what I said people weren't against helping with.


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as far as i know the most viruses and other crap is sended by /msg spam

- I never mentioned viruses.


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what i mean with "mirc police" is that 98% of that users post only says "you arent allowed to/suposed to do that".. then a huge load of crap.. nothing that help the person in question

- Some people are blissfully unaware that downloading songs and movies online is illegal. Don't you think it's better to inform them of that in case they don't already know rather than to take your approach and say nothing - which often results in people re-posting their question or trying to 'bump' their original post.


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Don't you think it's better to inform them of that in case they don't already know rather than to take your approach and say nothing

Yes, but why not tell them that instead, then help them with the problem, atlest you warned them about the danger, after that it's up to them.. now all they hear is "no, you arent allowed to do that, mirc is a chat program, not for file sharing".. and i typed stuff from others posts too.. not only from yours.. and if it's so bad with the DCC feture in mirc, why dont Khaled remove it? i think one reason is that many users will go to other clients instead.. i never have seen any fuzz about a feture on any other klients fourms.. and not about DCC/file sharing.. thats for shure..

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re the link i posted: my apologies for leaving out a space between the end of the link and the ), its been edited.

The issue is not with helping or not helping with dcc. If someone says "how do i dcc" or "i dont understand dcc" they would have been told to type /help dcc in order to read about it. (personally i also suggest they read the help file about accepting files from strangers just in case) It is also not about dcc not working (there are tons of posts helping with that). The issue is that this user was apparently using a stranger/bot fserve and i doubt they were in search of a picture of someone's dog. We support dcc, we support fserve, we dont support rampant and/or illegal file sharing. We support scripting, we dont support using a script to do harm to another user. I'm not sure why you arent seeing the distinction between feature and intent. Our goal is to give positive help, assisting someone in something illegal or harmful doesnt come under that heading.

Just because someone pays for mIRC doesnt mean we should help them use it in a negative way. Ppl can use mIRC and its features as they choose, we cant control that and arent trying to. We can however refuse to help them on this forum and in #mIRC to use it for something illegal/harmful.

"only says "you arent allowed to/suposed to do that".. then a huge load of crap.. nothing that help the person in question"
Rather than ignore a post, imo its far better to explain why and educate the poster. Thats helping them far more! The link most refer to informs ppl that we do not help with that because its against the AUP of many networks and providers, its a source of trojans, and in many cases illegal because it violates copyright laws. You consider that "crap"?

I feel safe in saying that if i called my isp and said "im having trouble downloading a picture of my niece" they wouldnt mind helping. But if i said "im having trouble downloading 14 of the newest movies" the reaction would be quite different. I can just imagine what would happen if i said hey, i pay for my connection, you HAVE to help me steal.

This isnt an issue everyone is going to agree on no matter how much discussion. But its our right to not help you do something that is illegal or harmful. Once again, we have beat this poor dead horse into the ground and i think its time to move on please.


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Well now,

After reading my way all the way to the bottom, I now realize that I should have not simply refered to the file in question as "the file" as this seems to have caused a small upset among some.

Although conclusions about me were drawn rather quickly, you can rest assured that I am not after any illigal wares, movies or mp3's of any sort. The file I am after is a rather funny video of cats acting in strange and funny manners. It is perfectly legal and available for download anywhere you may find it. The problem I was that I was having trouble finding it on the internet, so, hearing good things about mIRC, I turned to it next.

I am also aware of the potential dangers of viruses and the like, and I have taken what precautions I can against such a thing.

As for spamming, I have no interst in it and if given the chance, would glady rid the world of it. mad

And to Nightcrawler I say thanks for the help. I haven't completely figured DCC out yet, but at least you've steered me in what appears to be the right direction. cool

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wow.. this is the first time i have gotten a thank you like that smile your very much welcome. anyways.. dude.. if u need more help with this dcc thing... drop me a private msg on the forum or email me.. i think its in my profile if u click my nick here.. and maybe we canmeet on one of the networks and i can give ya a hand on anything else u may need laugh


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We can however refuse to help them on this forum and in #mIRC to use it for something illegal/harmful.


I'd put it a little stronger - replace "can" with "must".

Helping someone to use mIRC for something illegal means becoming a party to the crime - an accomplice. No-one has a right to demand or expect that anyone else becomes an accomplice to a criminal act.

If someone wishes to break the law, that's their business. If they flaunt the fact in public on message fora, that's their business. If we provide info on HOW to break the law, that becomes our business.

This is nothing to do with whether file-swapping is morally acceptable or not. It's also nothing to do with whether it SHOULD be illegal or not. It's about not becoming criminals ourselves. It's about not having websites or servers shut down by ISP's or "the authorities" for promoting illegal activity. It's about promoting IRC as a chat medium, which is what it was always meant to be.

Personally, I'd be happy to see file sending and file server removed from mIRC - yes, people would find a way to script alternatives, but at least it would be clear that mIRC was not supporting or encouraging the activity. File handling was intended to complement chat, and for sending between individuals on an occasional and not continual basis. It is threatening, however, to drown mIRC's original reason for existing - a LOT of newbies now think that mIRC (and IRC in general) exists specifically for file "sharing".

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It wasnt so much conclusions drawn specifically about you, but that in the majority of cases, ppl are searching for illegal files. Our refusal to help with that every so often generates a general discussion on that refusal (as you see).

The file you are searching for would prolly be harder to find on IRC, since sadly the majority of filesharers concentrate on movies/music/software etc. Also, since many networks have an AUP against filesharing, just asking could make them cranky.

i'm glad to hear that you are aware of the dangers of trojans/virus, and take precautions. A google search for funny cat videos would no doubt get you a million or so hits, and obviously you know to exercise caution clicking and downloading.


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