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Re: DALnet Is Soon Dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #5551
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Why does everything have to be ethnic related which happens to circulate around the arabs? Honestly i think IRC would be the last thing on their minds. Yeah the person(s) responsible for the attacks on DALnet may have an ip which indicates middle eastern descent but in all actuallity its probably a case of coincidence and that it is in fact some little kid who is bored and has nothing better to do other than to piss people off...which i might add is succeeding. If DALnet goes well there are plenty of other networks right? My guess is DALnet will probably continue to be one of the largest if not the largest network after these little attacks....course thats just my opinion.

Re: DALnet Is Soon Dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #5552
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Dalnet is now dead. netsplit is not able to connect to any of their servers. only a mircale could save them now
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ok scratch that, well the last sentance still holds true
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Re: DALnet Is Soon Dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #5553
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Nonsense. I'm on it right now. However, it's not doing very well at all, at the moment.

[00:34] [15 servers][43 opers][1,720 channels][58.72% +i][41.28% -i]
[00:34] [1,049 on DALnet (1.42% of max)][26 on ithaca-s (96.3% of max) (2.48% of DALnet)]


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Re: DALnet Is Soon Dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #5554
11/01/03 08:12 AM
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sorry for the lengthy post
there is one thing i find that makes me think it is not some kid...
someone isnt bragging about the attacks... if someone was bragging about it word would have gotten out by now either that the kid would have gotten bored by now, so the suspect(s) must hold a shred of professionalism (an organization of a sort perhaps)
one thing that happend alot just before the attacks started... all those spambots in almost every channel and those url's was what first got ppl infected w/ the irc zombie viruses which is the cornerstone of an attack
now lets take a look at what happens on dal net everyday besides chat...
mp3 sharing, porn (and some of it isnt even in good taste), spamming, warez trading, ppl that piss others off, and probably more, which i dont know about.
now.. the RIAA isnt too happy w/ the trading of mp3z and dal net has quite a few mp3 channels so there is some big time mp3 trading going on there is many ppl opposed to porn, (some of it for obvious reasons) software companies dont appreciate their programs being stolen, and nobody likes spam.
and now i have been hearing of other networks being attacked in the same fashion, (ppl at my college have been having trouble connecting to kazzaa both at school and at home [i could be wrong do not take this as fact] for the past few days just like we are having trouble connecting to dal net)
whoever it is has spent alot of time and and money put alot of planning into what is happening... i read the story at gibson research (www.grc.com) and his attacks didnt last as long as this one (didnt the most recent dalDoS drama started at around 9:30 on thursday and it seems to still be going strong)
i dont want to seem like one of those conspiracy theorists but in a case like this one must start thinking beyond some jerk kid...
(what if it is a disgruntled ex ircop?)
if it is a kid... here is my motd for ya...
you can use computers to play videogames instead of pissing ppl off

"Kiddies" may have children older than you #5555
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No, it's not RIAA smile. And no, they are not kids.

They are people educated enough to break into multiple computer systems and organize a massive attack against major Internet service providers. They are experts in computer security and networking. They call themselves hackers.

I respect every skill I haven't mastered. Not discussing moral aspects of DoSing (or writing viruses, cracking software, etc.) I claim that those people are much more proficient than most of us (including me) in specific knowledge areas. They are not kids.

Think of Al-Kaeda. Some people hate it, some fear it, others respect it for "kicking the self-proclaimed World Cop's butt". But nobody calls them "airplane kiddies" (which doesn't make them less odious, don't get me wrong).

I insist that the common belief about "kiddies who have nothing to do" is far from reality. Kiddies babble on IRC, they are not capable of taking over military sputniks or controlling the Internet backbones.

...I'm sure IRC will survive without DALnet.


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Re: DALnet Is Soon Dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #5556
11/01/03 01:54 PM
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Stop and think of how silly is seems to say one ethnic group would be even concerned with an IRC chating network when the region is facing a very real war. That's like saying the people of Sudan are worried about who will win an Academy Awards.

The sheer volume of resources seems to indicate it has to be an 'organized' attack, and it probably is a mix of young and older individuals. "Kids" or "Kiddies" doesn't mean an age. One person who was 'attacking' servers years ago was 42. Maturity isn't assigned to an age frown

Re: "Kiddies" may have children older than you #5557
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i never intended for my post to seem to point the finger solely @ RIAA but it is just as hairbrainy as my idea of terrorists being behind it. when it comes to the respect thing... i completely agree i hold a certain amount of respect for those w/ the skills to be able to pull this off...
airplane kiddies lol
oh yea... and my motd for the ass behind it
get a girlfriend confused

Re: DALnet Is Soon Dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #5558
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Think about it for a second, I don't think anyone is
STUPID enough to brag about attacking an irc server and no DALnet isnt dead i was just on it earlier...although it wasnt in best of shape its still there. Personally i just think someone would have to be a total dumbass to brag about such acts...so ya really never know who may doing these things whether they be kids or not...give ya something to think about

Re: Hmmm #5559
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Yeah .. i know dalnet will dead .. coz ..its to dificult to enter that server ... i think u can change to another server smile .. crazy

Re: "Kiddies" may have children older than you #5560
12/01/03 01:34 AM
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While i can certainly acknowledge the skills involved, respect is NOT a word i would use with regard to anyone who would put those skills to use in a manner that causes others to pay the price for what they are doing.

IF they succeeded in "bringing DALnet down" what possible respect would those skills warrant? Who exactly are they harming? The users. The servers who volunteer their time and money...and by extension, their users in other areas. Oh yeah, i am just overwhelmed with respect for the knowledge they have worked hard to acquire and then put to such use. I can acknowledge their skills. I cant apply the word respect. I realize you werent commenting on the morality. No one disputes the skills involved...but neither should anyone "respect" them.

Of course IRC would "survive without DALnet". That isnt the point. Consider this, do you really think they would stop there? Or would others who see them as some shining example of skill? There are ppl who are afraid to say anything in an open forum for fear of possible repurcussions from those same ppl. Its the principle of the whole thing...that a few ppl, regardless of age/education/skills would for whatever reason hold thousands of ppl "hostage" in some vendetta or display of their skills. It isnt just DALnet that is effected. It isnt just IRC.

Again, i can acknowledge their skills...but to apply the word respect and, by implication admiration, only encourages them and others of the same mindset. DALnet isnt the first, nor will it be the last to be subjected to attacks like this. To me, its yet another sign that so many ppl have no respect for themselves or others. It doesnt matter what age, what ethnicity, or what skills are used in the process...anyone who intentionally causes harm to others in any way doesnt deserve the word respect applied to anything about them.

Am I taking the attack on DALnet personally? You bet I am. Can I find another network, spend the time to learn about it so i can continue to help ppl? Sure. Should i have to due the actions of other ppl? NO.


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Re: Hmmm #5561
12/01/03 01:39 AM
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It wasnt all that long ago that ppl were saying EFnet and Undernet couldnt survive. They did. Only time will tell if DALnet can... in the meantime, dont schedule the funeral.


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Re: Hmmm #5562
12/01/03 01:42 AM
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You don't know anything about it. Even if the network name 'DALnet' dies many of the servers which form it will continue either with other networks or by forming new ones.

Quite frankly the people doing it are kids. Maybe not in age, but as Karen mentioned, age and being a child don't always go hand in hand. The people doing this are not hackers, at best they're crackers. That's "at best" in the most derogatory form you can get.


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Re: Hmmm #5563
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1. i did not state it was coming from one source,
i said it one in larger factor of sources in lagging of dalnet

2. script kiddies have IRCd that is in Turkey,
and user(s) had ircop/admin stats and thier ip were also
based in turkey, but of couse this not simply mean
they from turkey.

i had my bot sitting in thier channels loggin eveything that went on in these room infect victim join/parting been given

new dalnet servers, new rooms to join and spam them
also bot saved incoming nicknames of user attemp to msg them and used them on thier ircd.

if you come across user asking you vist *.Kolayweb.Com
then you been spamed by their bots >:(


Re: Hmmm #5564
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altho i'm not sure why you are replying to starbucks reply to projector, i commend you for reporting what you found to DALnet. Realize that just because they havent answered you, it doesnt mean they arent checking it out.

At this point, since we dont know the who/how many/from where/why behind this, speculation doesnt help anything, info that users provide can smile


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Re: Hmmm #5565
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I only tried to prevent you from underestimating them. The common habit to laugh and roast anything we can't beat won't help at all.

I don't call them "kiddies". They are my personal enemies - smart and dangerous. I respect their professionalism, which doesn't mean our roads go together.

...I remember a similar attack on Undernet a year or two ago. It was teared to shreds. But it regrouped, rewrote their IRCd and channel service, disabled /links and /stats, hid the IPs of the hub servers and allowed the users to hide their IPs as well.

The admins attempted to build a system taking into account the skill of people that might try to break it down. And, IMHO, succeeded.


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Re: Hmmm #5566
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i agree the name "DALnet" may die but the servers will keep running maybe possibly form new networks but if you think about it and i wish i had mentioned it earlier...almost everyday a new server is going up along with new networks...IRC is going to be around for a very long time so really if a network or servers go down more will go up possibly taking their place so its gonna really be an endless cycle of attacks on a network possibly forcing some to fall, and more going up to take their place...so really in short if DALnet falls and thats an "if" the people that made it up will still be here and more than likely start a new one...look at EFnet and undernet....they are still here after much skepticism....so really only time will tell

Re: Hmmm #5567
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Perhaps khaled can make a contribution in slowing the propagation of such Virus/Trojans by implementing a popup warning the person who clicked on a url that *some sites may contain a Virus* do you want to proceed yes/no This would then be a deterrent for new mirc users to be tempted to follow any url in their new found excitement. Iím sure this would help slow propagation of some Virus/Trojans.

Re: Hmmm #5568
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It's not a bad idea but I doubt it will be a deterrent. People are told here, every IRC based website, in their ISP's newsletters, by their friends, not to visit URLs that get thrown at them, yet they keep doing it.

The biggest problem is that they can't see the warbot on their machine so they don't realise that they are doing any harm. Unfortunately alot of people would see a warning dialogue as more of an annoyance than anything else and those that do are the ones foolish enough to disobey the advice.


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Re: Hmmm #5569
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Maybe it would stop some ppl.... but on the other hand i cant count the number of times i have spent a good bit of time helping someone who got infected by clicking on an url...only to have the person turn around and tell me they have no intention of stopping clicking on urls. Some even went so far as to tell me that they didnt care what it did to their puters, that 1: someone would always help them fix it or 2. they would just get another one and 3. they didnt care if they spread infections to others. Pretty sad, huh?


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Re: Hmmm #5570
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1: someone would always help them fix it or 2. they would just get another one and 3. they didnt care if they spread infections to others.

Yepp, I get this attitude sometimes and it sucks. One wonders then why they bother simply because fools cannot be educated. Even the hammering of large networks doesn't seem to bother some people and that is why God invented the words "careless" and "selfish".


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