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IPv6 Support #47914 07/09/03 09:23 PM
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I realise that not many people use IPv6, nor is it really needed, but I feel this sort of functionality would really be nice. I have enjoyed the benefits of IPv6 on my UNIX boxes on my network, but so far haven't been able to enjoy IPv6 much on windows due to the lack of support. I enjoy using mIRC, and believe IPv6 support is something that it needs.

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I think you need to use the search function before posting...


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Re: IPv6 Support #47916 09/09/03 11:33 AM
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You said:

I realise that not many people use IPv6, nor is it really needed

...then said:

...and believe IPv6 support is something that it needs.

It's either needed or not and I am of the opinion that it's not needed at this time. I am all FOR new things but as there is still just over 1 billion IPv4 addresses left I think that there is little point in rushing the idea through. Only a handful of networks offer servers that support it too.

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(Watchdog): I concur.

Plus, it will be a long WHILE until we see a standard IPv6 windows api. I can't imagine true IPv6 support being added harmoniously with IPv4, so there would likely be two builds of mIRC as it was with 16 vs 32 bit.

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Re: IPv6 Support #47918 09/09/03 08:15 PM
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That link you posted is hilarious. It's funny that Nemesis has only made 24 posts and is dictating about the search engine.

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What does his post count have to do with anything?

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He acts like he's answered 1000 questions that could have been solved by using the search feature instead.

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Nowhere in his post does he say that, or anything like that.

It annoys me to have to read the same questions over and over about spaces, he has been registered with this forum for 9 months, plenty of time for him to get annoyed with having to read posts about the same stuff over and over..

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Did you go to that link on Raccoon's post and read or are you just trying to type with your left nut to see if you can?

Re: IPv6 Support #47923 09/09/03 08:29 PM
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Yes I did read Racoon's post, and I broadly agree with it, but that isn't what I'm responding to.

Re: Even more gripes about Search Mongers #47924 09/09/03 08:31 PM
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Noone has the right to get annoyed at users asking for assistance, whether they failed to use the Search feature or not. You could equally complain that they didn't try Google before coming here, first.

It is understandable if the same user has been minded time and time again about the relevancy of their posts and their failure to Search on several occasions... but there are many people on this forum who stealthfully lurk about waiting to pounce like vulchers with nothing better to do.

The Search Mongers I'm complaining of are the same people who are least likely to assist a user, or even know how. They're posting for the power, the pwnage, the post count.

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Re: Even more gripes about Search Mongers #47925 09/09/03 08:33 PM
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Noone has the right to get annoyed at users asking for assistance, whether they failed to use the Search feature or not.


Funny, I always thought I did have the right to have emotions. I thought I got to decide when I should be annoyed. Guess I was wrong...

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I think the whole point is, if you're not going to help or at least offer some helpful advice, why reply at all?
And if reading the same questions more than once annoys someone so much that they feel they must reply in a condescending manner, then they need to click that little X in the upper right hand corner of their screen and go get laid and/or get a life.

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Re: Even more gripes about Search Mongers #47927 09/09/03 08:50 PM
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I think that's sound advice for every occasion.

* Raccoon searches for some tail.


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It has alot to do with it. Typing in bold and ordering someone around after being here for five mins strikes me as a bit obnoxious, given that the other user was also new and probably unaware of the search engine. Remember that not all forums have them.

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He's been here 13 days less than you..the fact he doesn't post actively is for the most part irrelevant, as it doesn't prove that he never reads the posts.

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Well that just reinforces my point even further. As per the other posts here, contributions should be of a positive nature. Pointing a new user towards the search engine without also providing some sort of immediate response to their query is bloody useless and devoid of any reasoning. That's no different to running an IRC help channel and telling every user there to read the manual that comes with the IRCd to find out the server's commands and functions instead of replying to their question.

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As per the other posts here, contributions should be of a positive nature.

I agree.

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Pointing a new user towards the search engine without also providing some sort of immediate response to their query is bloody useless and devoid of any reasoning.

I agree.

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That's no different to running an IRC help channel and telling every user there to read the manual that comes with the IRCd to find out the server's commands and functions instead of replying to their question.

I agree.

However his post count is still neither here nor there.

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That's no different to running an IRC help channel and telling every user there to read the manual that comes with the IRCd to find out the server's commands and functions instead of replying to their question.

Oh so we shouldn't tell people to, for example,
/help $rand
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Instead we should:
$rand(v1,v2)
This works in two ways. If you supply it with numbers for v1 and v2, it returns a random number between v1 and v2. If you supply it with letters, it returns a random letter between letters v1 and v2.

$rand(a,z) returns a letter in the range a,b,c,...,z
$rand(A,Z) returns a letter in the range A,B,C,...,Z
$rand(0,N) returns a number in the range 0,1,2,...,N



Maybe you guys think saying "use the search feature" is a bad response, but I think it is a perfect response. Ever heard the saying "give a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." What about next time when he has a question and people say "screw it, this guy never bothers to search, I'm not going to bother to help him." Or when no one is around to provide help, he is, bluntly put, screwed. Whereas when I say "use the search feature" he now knows how to receive help for this question and any other question he may have in the future. I don't see why it is our job to baby people asking for help, I'd rather teach them how to help themselves rather than have to help them everytime something comes up.

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Oh so we shouldn't tell people to, for example,
/help $rand
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No, that's exactly what you should do.

Though, Search Mongers on this forum are simply telling users the equivilent of "Read the help file!!!1" or "RTFM!!!1". They don't even bother to instruct the user to "/help $rand" or even link to "/help" at all.

That's the BARE MINIMUM that is expected. At least LINK to useful search results, or relevant posts that you've found helpful in your travels. "RTFM" is a cop out.

And if you're feeling especially nice, you could tell the user to type:
//echo -a $rand(1,10) is a random number from 1 to 10.

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Very good point .. but all I'm saying is, pointing them in the direction of the search is all fine and dandy, but why be rude about it? Especially toward those who are obviously new to the forum and may not know about the search. We were all newbs once and I'm sure, on more than one occasion, we all annoyed someone with our share of what seemed like stupid questions to the annoyee. (is that a word?)

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It's not babying people to assist them. It's quite ignorant to treat new users with contempt though and I bet you anything that a mammoth proportion of theRat's posts here are "Use the search engine".

The user that started this thread has been here ONCE. theRat's response, like many of his other similar ones is ignorant and contemptable and a complete insult to the intelligence of those better equipped to answer the users question in the proper way.

To reply directly to your post, when I sit in the help channel on my network and I am presented with a question, and the answer is also in the services help files, I will answer the question and then after making sure the user understands that, I will then show them HOW TO USE ChanServ, HelpServ, NickServ help files.

Inline with theRat's long-standing approach to the use of this board, I could just tell every user "Bugger off and read the help files" but that would completely defeat the purpose of having a help room to begin with.

For the record, I quite proudly have never (if my memory serves me correctly) answered a single question here with "Use the search", and I never will.

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theres no point in repeating threads that already exist, when you can simply say "use the search feature" and avoid it being repeated, if they dont like using the search feature, its laziness on their side, if it makes it any more "polite" i could add the url, "use the search feature", but its better than not helping at all, its also better than giving them an answer, which they are then going to have problems with/question and repeat a thread all over again :tongue:


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With that attitude, anyone searching for "blah blah" would have to sift through 50 posts instructing other users to use search too... and if they're lucky, they might find a single outdated post from 2 years ago that vaguly touches on their problem.

Be a contributor, not a lazy bum.


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If no subjects were revisited from time to time then this board would simply cease to exist. Read every thread from go to whoa and you'll see what I mean about revisiting subjects previously discussed. There is nothing wrong with letting people know about the search engine, just the way some people choose to do it. It contributes nothing positive at all to reply the way theRat has been since he has been a member here and you seem to have just started copying his bad habit in the last day or two, no doubt to simply attract attention to yourself.

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its actually because, they have to click right next to search to get on this board, if they cant be bothered to search for an answer before asking then i cant be bothered to help them.


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Maybe you guys think saying "use the search feature" is a bad response, but I think it is a perfect response. Ever heard the saying "give a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." What about next time when he has a question and people say "screw it, this guy never bothers to search, I'm not going to bother to help him."

Well, Maybe JUST like everything in life. Humainley, we useually do things in a decent manner.
Not rudely. It is so easy on a message borad to reply in flame fodder.

I would have seen fit to give this person the reply they looked for, then politley explained that they can find most answers in the FAQ's or saerch engine as a final note only and not rudely gave him a bloody lecture..

If after a while the same person was stupidly asking the same questions or a new set of questions over and over again, i would remind him again politely. if it continued, then i would guss he was eigther very low in IQ, in this case, responding would make ME just as low as him. in the other case, i would asume he may be a flamer trying to anoy people. In that case, i would allso feel it non aplicable to reply allso..

I am 13, and yet i can useually find most flamers are well abuve my age..

C'mon, lets not be so silly about this.. answering one post on a given subject does not mean the subject will not pop up again some day. So complaining about reading the same things over and over is not viable as an excuse..

I would have thought reading the same old flmes and participating in them would be far more boreing than answering the same questions over and over for a new poster...


Chill............ wink

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To get to this board you click a link on the mIRC Home Page in the lefthand column "Message Board". If that is next to "Search" then you are using a different website to me.

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then: login which is about 3 WHOLE words away shocked


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Take a look at this thread and see how sarcastic people are being.

This is not an isolated incident, but rather people sitting and waiting and salivating at the chance of posting a bitter reply.

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Well you have just proved that your approach is once again insignificant because once again you just shift the goal posts as you go along. Pheonix, I remember back to when you were new here and aside from questions and your evergreen desire to connect to MSN with mIRC, your excessive single word posts meant very little. I don't recall people thrusting "use search" at you so I think you should be a leader instead of a blind follower and treat others with the same amount of respect that has been given to you.

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i searched before posting, if there was anything in the boards already i didnt see them, if a user searched and didnt find what they wanted then i dont helping, but when they can obviously see the search feature when logging in and they dont use it first, they're being lazy..


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Being lazy is how you put it.

This thread, among many others here, proves you dead wrong. A user asks a question, gets ignorance from you and a sensible discussion with two or three others.

I rest my case.

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i dont see why that was ignorant..


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It's not babying people to assist them. It's quite ignorant to treat new users with contempt though and I bet you anything that a mammoth proportion of theRat's posts here are "Use the search engine".

Ok perhaps saying something like "stop wasting our time, and search instead" is not the best way, however saying "in the future Search before asking a question" seems very helpful to me.

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The user that started this thread has been here ONCE.

Thats true, however the "search before asking" is not an mIRC forum rule, it is a general internet rule. I've subscribed to numerous mailing lists since I've been using the internet, every single one of them had a policy of "search the archives before posting a question." The same holds for newsgroups, either search the news group or search groups.google.com, and also for forums, search for an answer before asking your question. This isn't a policy that is unique to mIRC, it is standard internet etiquette.

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"I can't imagine true IPv6 support being added harmoniously with IPv4"


Hmmmm, Xchat for windows supports both ipv4 and ipv6.

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There's really no problem with it.
Just use the existing ipv4 support for connecting to ipv4 addresses, and ipv6 support for connecting to ipv6 adresses. They really can't be mistaken or each other.

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