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Hey Tjerk, how difficult would this be?

Add a field in UBBThread's user profile that allows us to enter our registration info. Users who do so would have something nifty added to their status or below or beside their name.

Eg, how moderators have a little beside their name, registered users would have a similar tag... perhaps a small colored star or pac-man face (like in the icon).

If that would be too confusing, then add a tag below their Posts: and Loc: tags. I'm not sure what this tag might say, perhaps the registered user could choose what it says. Give it a red color or something so it stands out slightly.

I know this would take a bit of work and some creative coding on your part. You would also have to devise a method of verifying registration information against a conceivably huge list of registered users. I understand this would take some time and effort, but perhaps well worth it.

If channel takeovers and op status and (dare i say it without being accused) post counts are an indication of the average IRCer's ego, then I suspect most of those who post here would have no choice but to register just so they could save face amongst their peers.

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And no, I'm not admitting to having an ego. I take pride in having no self worth.


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Being also able to grab the codes from the database would be awesome if you switch computers and don't feel like waiting/submitting for the code. laugh

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done you can grab it here: http://www.mirc.com/reglost.html

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Yup, that is a nice idea, but that would mean I have to change things in the internals of this message board, and that is something I try to refrain from. It makes upgrading to a newer version even harder then it is already frown Also, Khaled would have to provide a simple procedure to validate a Name/Registration code combination of course.

Alas, i'll keep this on my 'rainy weather what shall I do' days list... But do not count on this for the near future, ok!?

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This is a good idea, but some other steps should be taken first... I keep repeating it and I will keep repeating it till I see it happen (or till I get banned from the board :P). Something needs to be made for those who can't register with a cc... :\

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On second thought, I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to impliment as a manual feature... a flag that a moderator has to flip on/off by hand upon request and some form of validation (some external webscript?) The board already supports different groups like moderators and admins with their own special icon, I suspect adding additional groups in the same way would be the easiest route.

That isn't to say it wouldn't be a chore for moderators to endure at first, but looking at the statistics of this board... we have less than 400 active chatters and 23,000 who mostly haven't even posted once.

In the long run, I suspect it would be easier to manually activate 400 members than to script an automation that will ultimately get very little use. Thanks for entertaining the idea though. smile

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I doubt that the moderators/admins are just different groups that can be set up on a whim, most likely it's hardcoded into the boards. Of course I've never used UBB.threads before so it's just a guess.


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Thats the idea... the only thing that should be done is Khaled send the lists to moderators and Tjerk add a group smile And maybe one day when I will be able to pay for mirc i will join the reg group too lol

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* KoRn18 looks at the 23,331 registered users and laughs his ass off thinking about manually adding all the regee's XD


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What do you want, somebody to ring your doorbell to collect the money?
If you really want you'll manage to pay your regisstration fee some way or another. There -are- several options from which paying with a check or money order is just one. These things are internationally available.

(Yup, childish repeats of the same subject that has been handled over and over will get you banned in the end. Or will get you ignored, even when you have something more important to say.)

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Sure! we have nothing better todo.....

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I'd rather be skydiving... as your avatar suggests you'd rather be, too.

Or is that a climbing harness?

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It's a nice idea, but surely it wouldn't serve any really useful purpose. Mods and admins are flagged so we know who they are, and who to go to if we have a problem with a post, etc. By implementing your suggestion, it's implying that because a poster is registered, their posts are somehow more valid - which we all know is not necessarily the case! I honestly don't see the point of this, and to be honest I think it could do more harm than good, i.e. creating yet more flame wars. These forums are for people to help each other out, not to say 'my opinion is worth more than yours' or 'I'm not helping you, you're not a registered mIRC user' - which is exactly what would happen, imho. It would become far too 'elitist'.


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No, it wouldn't create flame wars. It would just create a rift between those who are registered and those who are mooching. This is the intended effect, which will only promote increased sales as people try to blend in for acceptance.

Think of the smiley pac-face as an award for outstanding acheivement in the field of excellence.

Everyone wants one, and they'll pay $20, $10, $30 or $40 to get one.
The only purpose is to increase revenue, and perhaps to return thanks to those who registerd.


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I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. smile
I really, really, really don't think that someone who is determined not to register their copy of mIRC would suddenly be inclined to do so just so they could have a smiley pac-fac icon thingy.


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Apparently I'm not the only one who asks for something more easy on the paying... and you know what? I'm sick borred of having to beg to pay... I could just either ignore the paying thingy either use a crack or however you call those stupidities like more of the 50%++ of the users do!! Just for the record count how many downloads there are and how many registered users there are... less than 20-30% of the users do register mIRC... I'm not asking you to come at my door so I can pay I'm just asking you to give us something more easy for everyone... and keep the funny/stupid/ childish answers for yourself... thankyou...

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Someone quoted in an earlier post that it would cost just as much to make a bank draft or whatever acceptable payment it was, as it would cost to register mIRC.

That's perhaps one reason why Khaled has been so nice to allow people to pay only $10 instead of $20. If it costs you $10 to convert your currency over, then choose the $10 option so you come out even at $20.

Hell, just find someone with a Visa/MC and internet access who would register mIRC for you! Surely even you have friends.


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Yeah that's a *brilliant* idea - segregation by user 'status'. First of all it's totally acceptable for someone to use the forums while unregistered for the 30 day trial, second of all you make it sound like someone who hasn't registered has no valid opinions or ideas. The only thing that would piss me off is an unregistered user bitching about mIRC like dozens have done in the past few days, but then again it pisses me off equally when registered users do the same. Just because someone hasn't registered the client doesn't make them any less capable of suggesting good ideas or providing help which benefits everyone.


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Think of it as nobels and peasants.


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Why would you want to cause a rift? And most people that register don't even frequent the boards anyway. Oh, and IRC users are hardly know for their affiliation with trying to blend in!

Speaking as an unregistered user myself, I can assure you I would not, and will not, pay money so that I can get a little icon next to my name. However, I do not think introducing such a feature would cause flame wars immediately - flame wars are caused when users disagree with each other about something, and one of them isn't mature enough to ignore the others comments smile

It would however, give the impression that someone with a "pacman" logo next to their nickname is more important, and has more knowledge and experience of IRC - which as Poppy correctly pointed out, isn't true! Newbie users to the mIRC Forums (or forums in general) may even be led to believe that these registered users are some sort of Moderator on the boards, and it would open an entire new window of questioning about "how do you get that logo next to your name" and "what does it mean" etc etc, when really we should be helping with Bugs/Scripting/mIRC/Connection Issues....

Personally, I think we should continue helping with our usual compulsive diligence and let the 'mIRC Team' donate their time to improving upon mIRC!

Happy chatting.

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I disagree with this idea. Why increase the need for acceptance here? Sure, it may encourage some desperate heads around here and there to register mIRC to "stay on top", but then I ask you.. In the forum environment, encouraging such a "top" status would improve the community as a whole?

Of course not.

I remember this board had status based on number of posts indicated in every users' posts and now it's not there anymore, I guess it's not there anymore because of the same kind of issue? (correct me if I'm wrong - and however we still have numbers of posts yet)

While this could offer only a little help to the registration issue, this forum would become a much more elitized (stinky) place having some people moved by the need for such a superficial acceptance, rather than good discussions.

"Why would I discuss about SimpleJoe's criticism, he didn't pay for mIRC". "Why would I keep trying to make my point, JackHasPaidgrin has registered mIRC, he won't accept it easily".
The examples above may seem exaggerated, I know; but we could expect something similar in the future if the paid-only scene opens and stays.


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No, I don't think it would seriously cause a rift in the forums, nor do I think people would hold it over one-another's head. But I think the number of people who see it and will ask about it will influence them that much more to register. You see all your friends wearing Nike's, chances are peer pressure will get the better of you and you'll wear the same. I think a smiley pac-face would have a similar effect, not only on a few forum regulars but even have a positive effect on those Anonymous passers by. People will realize just how neat the idea of registering really is, by seeing how many people actually register (contrary to any report you may have read on IRC News).


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"I remember this board had status based on number of posts indicated in every users' posts and now it's not there anymore, I guess it's not there anymore because of the same kind of issue? (correct me if I'm wrong - and however we still have numbers of posts yet)"

The number of posts anyone has made is under their nickname beside their post. I think by "status" you mean where the "title" for each number range appeared. Those "titles" can still be seen in the help area, and are intended as humor really. I think that stopped when the "new" boards software changed from the "old" boards. (lol, shows you how much i pay attention to that) I'm quite sure you didnt mean that some kind of status was/is implied by the number of posts anyone makes/doesnt make smile


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agreed the number of posts makes no difference of status to anyone. and i personally think adding anything liek this would just cause indifferences between users, basically if implemented it would be an arguement waiting to happen. But thats just my opinion of the subject


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ParaBrat:
No, I didn't mean it. When I said "however we still have numbers of posts yet" I meant that I could probably be wrong about the reason those titles were taken off of posts, because the number of posts is there anyway. It's just that in some other communities I've seen people bragging about their number of posts and/or title, other people complaining about that etc, then I considered the possibility that this could have happened here when I was out for a little while. smile

Raccoon:
I see your point. I'm just afraid that, if this idea is implemented, although it surely could be positive in the beginning, it could take a negative path while time passes.


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Cold, sad to say, but i think human nature is such that there will always be ppl who think number of posts/titles/how many channels they have ops in/what kind of car they drive/etc is an indicator of their worth. Just one of those things in life we have to understand about how ppl behave i guess.


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I know, but that doesn't mean people can't do anything about the bad aspects of their nature. Many human issues can be discouraged at some point that is easily acceptable for most people, not only the ones who can see human nature behind someone's bad attitude. Of course there will always exist one who isn't pleased. But IMHO, a community (especially an internet one) needs at least this little control.

I don't think the idea posted in this thread would ruin/fulminate/blow off this msgboard or its conscience aspects as a whole, I just think it's not worth it, even as a registration appeal, IMO it costs more than pays (in another sense). I doubt that would cause a really significant encouragement for people to register. As has been said, that would be noticeable here on the forum, but there are millions of users out there who wouldn't care.
Oh well, maybe Tjerk likes this idea and who knows if Khaled would like it too, since they're who actually deserve more registrations. But, as a forum user, I disagree.

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