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Limitations for DCC #30913 19/06/03 05:56 PM
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After reading countless posts about how people use the mIRC client for filesharing purposes..something came to mind. Why not set a limitation on how big a file can be sent or received and not be able to change it? I figured that this would limit someones options on the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials through mIRC which in turns force them to use something else other than mIRC. Such as allowing the limit to equal the size to a descent sized image file or something.

This wouldn't solve the problem with fileswapping on the internet but it would prevent users from disgracing a great program like mIRC and abusing its ability for illegal purposes...What does everyone think of this idea? Course now by posting this I am sure I have sparked a major argument LOL...

I for one would like the idea since I've only used mIRC to send documents to friends...

Re: Limitations for DCC #30914 19/06/03 06:08 PM
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Well I guess the problem would be, what filesize should be set? I know I've transfered ~250MB files that were 100% legitimate.

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Fileswappers will simply not upgrade their mIRC or find a way around the limit.

Re: Limitations for DCC #30916 19/06/03 06:12 PM
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Well it would stop some of them.

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Well the limitations to set would be up to Khaled to decide as to what's acceptable. I agree that people will find a way around it (loopholes are a given) but that would require hacking the program which is illegal...I am only suggesting this as something for most law-abiding users. Kinda like how Khaled releases mIRC under the trust system, this is the same thing...instillilng trust in users judgement. (oh who am i kidding this idea will get shot down anyways LOL)

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Well I guess my question would be, if this is to prevent law abiding citizens from doing it, then they wouldn't be downloading illegal files in the first place, would they?

Re: Limitations for DCC #30919 19/06/03 06:27 PM
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I agree that people will find a way around it (loopholes are a given) but that would require hacking the program which is illegal

I don't think people who download illegal items off the internet will feel guilty about illegally hacking the program. I think most will just stop upgrading.

I don't mean to shoot down the idea. I'd like to see a reduction in posts about downloading stuff too but I don't think this is the answer. I ignore the threads because I am too tempted to post the following:

* Jerk points and laughs at <user>.

hmm, maybe I should start posting that to those threads. They usually come here in a really pissy mood and it's fun to make them madder.

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Re: Limitations for DCC #30920 19/06/03 06:32 PM
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in the 3 years ive had mirc i have never used a dcc =o\


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Re: Limitations for DCC #30921 19/06/03 06:41 PM
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Note i said "Most" not all decent folk listen to or does what the "man" says... I've done my fair share of law breaking before. All i'm saying is whats the harm in adding something to slow a certain group of people down from using mIRC as a means of filesharing.

Jerk: I understand what you are saying but I know this won't solve the problem...this idea is intended so that this limits someones options. Basically you throw this idea with the possibility of every network following DALnets lead by not allowing the filesharing to continue on their servers and you have a hell of a combination to force users from using mIRC (unless they all band together to form a network = or bait for government agencies cracking down on fileswapping)

But the idea of every network following that lead is pretty much a dream to some...Getting back to the topic at hand. I think its been established that this won't stop people from using mIRC for filesharing. I just thought that it would be a great idea to slow people down....I dunno probably cause I get tired of seeing at least 5 posts on a daily basis by a bunch of "Gomer Pyles" wondering why they cant download anything properly and this idea popped into my skull...

Anyways..It was a nice thought

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Thats my point, if the people are fine with breaking the law to download the files, why won't they be fine with breaking it to modify mIRC?

I agree that something should be done to try and slow filesharing, just not sure what exactly...

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Picture this scenario:
A file limit is added. Now Joe Warezdaddy splits the big file into RAR volumes, each the maximum allowable size. Now not only does that not slow down the use of large file trading (and remember that large does not necessarily mean illegal) it does in fact mean that when DCC resumes fail (which is quite often in my experience) these people sharing the large files now only have to download that particular volume again. The sharing of large files has now been inadvertantly forced into being more reliable. Whoops.


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Re: Limitations for DCC #30924 19/06/03 07:03 PM
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Then I would say that ole' Joe Blow has too much friggin time on his hands especially for those huge movie files...and that he needs a life.

The only other way i can think of that would even remotely come close to slowing filesharing is eliminating DCC all over IRC in general. Who's gonna go for that option? Nobody...

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Other things could be done. /fsend and /dcc packetsize only function in a registered version of mIRC for example. That shouldn't have the ability to harm anyone who uses mIRC legally but it could bother people who don't, so it would be doing its job.

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The "max allowable size" could also be extention-dependant. Of course you have those that rename extentions, but just the same. I mean if any kind of limit stops just 100 users (out of the thousands that do it), the purpose of it was successful. Any kind of limitation on some users and a greater accomplishment in its entirety.


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And what happens 5 minutes later after all those unregistered users looking to optimize their transfers have finished downloading one of the cracks or key generators for mIRC? I realise I'm being the 'put-down guy' for filesharing prevention (on 2 threads now), but lets be realistic. It's really not practical or possible for mIRC to 'decide' what can and cannot be sent - short of removing the DCC send ability totally. Even then it would be scripted back in within a day or two and nothing has changed. I simply don't think that it's the IRC client's place to police the files sent via DCC. If anyone has the ability and, to some extent, the responsibility to limit or prevent filesharing it's the IRC servers and their staff.


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Re: Limitations for DCC #30928 19/06/03 07:27 PM
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No one is really saying it will stop filesharing, we're saying it might slow it a bit.

Re: Limitations for DCC #30929 19/06/03 07:32 PM
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Like I had said, even if it puts a damper on some of the file sharing, that is better than nothing. Say currently there are 1 milion ppl sharing illigal files (i knows it more, but nice round figure). Anyways, even if you stop just 10% of that (100,000) or even 5% (50,000) then isn't that enough to say "it was worth it"? Stopping all illegal file sharing will never happen, just as prohibition didn't stop alcohal, but creating an obstacle in the way wouldn't hurt.

Also with the "only registered versions have packetsize" You can just as well throw that out the window, ad not every version has that. Ppl will just resort to using 6.03 (and below) . I mean you don't need all the "neat features" to run a dccc bot i would think.


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Yep thats all im saying...I know that its nearly impossible to stop it completely just to slow it down a bit with the slightest notion people will get the hint and not use mIRC for that purpose....if they want to use the proper program to do so more power to them that has nothing to do with mIRC....

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even to go further with my idea, just the idea of stopping new users. I mean if a user hears that mirc can file share, then finds it rather difficult and is discouraged or irritated and says "forget it" now thats 1 more user not filesharing on irc, 1 morc (if not several) files on their computer not being shared to others, and on more reason to intergrate the feature >:D


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Re: Limitations for DCC #30932 19/06/03 07:47 PM
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I agree even if it prevents a few people thats an accomplishment....every little bit helps one way or another....so what if it doesn't eliminate filesharing as a whole...at least that 1 person or a few people aren't contributing to breaking the copyright laws...that is a success the way I look at it....

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