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Graphical 'smilie' support in mIRC #30120 16/06/03 11:55 AM
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Hey People,

First off i would like to thank all people who build mIRC. I have tried many other IRC clients but every time i went back to the good old mIRC. Chappeau!

I would like to have some kind of image support in mIRC. (No, i don't mean the theme support.) Image support in a way like Trillian or MSN Messenger (last one doesn't support IRC, i know). This clients give you the option to use graphical smilies instead of the standard raw-text codes like : ) or : (.

I know there are a lot of people out of here who are about to kill me know but i like the graphical smilies over the text ones. If only mIRC scripting support images in the 'conversion-window' we are far less from home i guess. In this way nobody has to use them, everybody can decide on her/his own if he want to have text or image based smilies.

This is really the only thing i miss in mIRC, i planned using Trillian for only this option but after a few hours i switched back to mIRC because of it scripting language and customizeabilities.

I hope you people won't blame me too much... as i said before it would only like to see mIRC supporting it, not to let you use it.

Thanks for reading! Hope someone could tell me more smile

PS: excuse my bad english, i'm still learning! smile

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It's been suggested a few times now and there is mixed support for it though I wouldn't mind seeing it. shocked mad cool smile frown blush crazy laugh shocked smirk confused grin wink :tongue:


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personnally I still don't see the point to have graphical smileys in an IRC client. IRC is text so why add ugly gfx?

all chat programs I have (trillian/certain webchats I hardly ever use) I always disable the smileys because I think they are ugly and you can express so much better by ASCII :-] they always screw up your sentences too :-[ (like: (17:08) make the last 2 chars a 'cool smiley' for instance...)


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Well I guess it's all a matter of personal taste. I think they're fine on forums and stuff, but I really wouldn't like to see it implemented in mIRC. Unless there's an option to disable it, obviously.


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I would hate to even see it suported *bad word* MSN and other *gfx smily* chat clients... gfx smilys does not belong in mIRC or IRC at all, and yes, we're gona kill ya, i've alreaddy know where you live, and i'm taking the next plane... see ya... (idrmt)

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well things that would turn (17:08) into a smiley, imho do it wrong, it should be done in such a way that no false negatives occur and false positives are reduced. For example:

hey there 8) that should make a smiley
hey there 8)! that should make a smiley
hey there (mr8)! that should not.

A smiley token should be defined as "a series of characters consisting of either a line boundary (beginning of text/end of text) and a space on the other side, a space character on both sides, or a punctuation character .?!,;"' on one or more sides. Something like that would signifigantly reduce the problem you describe. Plus as I mentioned in other posts about this, who said there won't be a "disable smiley support" checkbox?

Oh and for the "IRC is text", that has little relevance. The majority of smiley requests don't say "make it so it shows up on other people's screens as well" that is, they don't say there should be a code sent that other clients should display as a smiley, they say LOCALLY it should be displayed as a smiley. If that violates the "IRC is text" motto you seem to believe in, well then why have picture windows? IRC is text, not pictures. The reason is because picture windows (like smileys) won't modify, expand, or rely on the IRC protocol in any way. They will be local features that allow you to display information in the method you determine is best for you.

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Unfortunately, I've seen many things integrated in to clients at the local level become "law" for channel ops...

* mIRC ships with graphical smilies turned on.
* People abuse channels with smile smile smile smile smile smile
* No one bothers to stop and think "Hey if that feature bothers me I'll just turn it off."
* Kickbots configured to kick on all instances of smilies.
* Friendly new user innocently ends sentence with smile
* Ops say it is his fault.
* Thus ends friendly new user's expedition in to his new found world of IRC.

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Well if you read my other posts I had suggested that smilies be OFF by default, therefore the entire scenario you presented doesn't occur. I also said that there should be flood protection
"Only translate N smilies into icons per line"
for example. So that stops flooding issues.

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Im all for emoticons. dIRC supports them very well, with none of these problems people are bringing up. And ofcourse it would be off by default, so it wouldn't harm anyone who doesn't want it.

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I think you are forgetting that all good java applets support smileys. Flooding with them is the same as an ASCII popup in mIRC, it consumes room and you can disable colour in your room with +c or use a bot to kick repeat flooders or better still just strip codes and continue to live in a black and white world.


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Oh please... forget it -_-

Even though it would be cool to have smileys-floods in channel, lot of peoples crying because their screen is filled up with smileys they don't want, lamers trying to mass-flood channels, etc... (note the sarcasm!)
This option shouldn't be added... or, at least, it should default to OFF.

Smiley flood control, as suggested by codemastr would be nice too, but what to do if the flood comes from different sources?

Example:
Let's suppose you set your anti-flood to 6:2 (max: 6 smileys per 2 seconds). As you can see, 6:2 isn't excessive... (who would send you more than 6 smileys in 2secs except lame flooders?) ... But:
How to handle the case where 10 different peoples send you 6 smileys per 3 seconds?!
This would make 60 smileys every 3secs (or 10 smileyrs/sec if you prefer)...
I'm sure that mass-flooders and IRC warbot coders will be really happy to see this feature added!! Think of it before you do anything, please! blush

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If it is turned off or you have flood protection turned on then it shouldn't be of any concern. I don't know why people keep beating up the flood yarn - when if the feature is added there would be a flood protection added too, just as is for CTCP.

At the end of the day if you don't want to be flooded then don't use IRC because there is dozens of ways to flood people.


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Your flooding argument is irrelevant. Have you looked at mIRC's flood control? See how it has the ability to stop overall floods as well as floods from specific users? Well why would it be logical to assume that the feature would no longer work once smiley support is added?

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I already hate the people who spam channels with excessive icons because of CGI:IRC emoticon support... they think everyone sees those dreaded icons so they through like 10 aftereachother per line...

why degrade mIRC into an "MSN clone" by giving it emoticon support? use another IRC client if you want to go with the masses... ASCII > GFX any day!

besides, I use smileys alot :-] and that anoys the hell out of people who have GFX smileys *G* also because the smiles I use don't trigger and they do all those weird MSN type icons and all I see is text so have no idea what they want to point out :-P


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I'm not really against graphical smilies at the client level, but wonder what the benefit is...

If mIRC ships with it enabled (being the most popular IRC client) users will think everyone in the world sees their strings of cute jumpy little smileys as they do. If it ships with the feature turned off, users who want graphical smileys would still be posting to this board asking for the feature.

It adds more bloat to the download and would probably slow down scrolling (scrollback).

I'd venture to guess that their would be other needless problems associated with it... the fixed size of the gif and the different font types/sizes would make for good uneven line spacing and chunky scrolling (unless the screen is rendered which would mean more bloat and slowdown). If smiley patterns are replaced with images to help speed up scrollback, then you have issues like what happens when the buffer is saved or what goes in to the clipboard for a copy-n-paste.

It'd be interesting to see how that all gets sorted out.

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Ok I'm going to say this for the last time(s):
I SAID DISABLED BY DEFAULT
I SAID DISABLED BY DEFAULT
I SAID DISABLED BY DEFAULT
I SAID DISABLED BY DEFAULT
I SAID DISABLED BY DEFAULT

I don't see why ANYTHING you mention is a problem if it is disabled by default. If you don't like it... then guess what? DON'T ENABLE IT!

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What? Enable it by default?

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Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure he said ENABLED too.


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I'd be happy if smilie support is added. smile

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Likewise... I would be happy too. grin
And 'DISABLED BY DEFAULT' sounds like an ingenous way of preventing ticked off mIRC users who disagree with the idea of having smileys. (The flood support sounds like a real plus too.)

As far as users coming to the board requesting the feature become available after mIRC is already shipped with smiley support... do what you guys usually do, point them to a thread that explains how to have the emoticons enabled, or point them to the help file. Simple as that. (And just for the record, only REAL mIRC users read the versions.txt. If they don't read it and see the changes that have been made, then its their own darn fault for being lame!! --I read it... I don't get some of the more technical updates that were added, but I read it still.)

So, looks to me as if there still is no good argument of why emoticon support should not be added. wink
(But that's just my personal opinion.)


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look..this seems to become a religious war like M$ vs UNIX. why the hell not (sorry my french) make the support for the graphical smilies and make'm disabled as default (as suggested many times). Then everybody should be happy. Personally I don't care if <nick1> and <nick2> etc. hate the emoticons. If you don't like'em - don't use'em.
In this thread I haven't seen ONE GOOD argument yet for not implementing the support for the emoticons. It seems like the reason for not implementing the support simply is, that some people just doesn't LIKE them! I don't buy that lame argument smile


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A) Adding support increases file size (not so much a worry)
B) implimenting support would make the window process slower, also make the render time increase dramatically, esp on pages with a lot of "smilies"
C) There are DLLs available. If it is that big an issue, USE THEM.


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if you want smileys, then script it your self, @windows as a chennel will give it a boost, becuase in @windows you can have pictures --- and only you can see it, then u can have on text and on input then you are covered, and it dont bother anyone smile

i personally like smiles, but i dont think that they belong in mIRC unless there is an option to turn them off :!:


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anyone ever seen the smiley face in AIM? it looks utterly retarded, lol.
Some smilies are cool but unless the standard ones are good it all goes to hell and you can't use an ascii smiley without it always being converted to a stupid-looking picture

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Leave simlies AWAY from mIRC. Script them if you want it so bad.

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Indeed, mIRC is a text based chat program and having smilies would be hideous.

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I don't see why it would be so bad if it's optional (Meaning that you can turn them off), as long as the default smiley set doesn't include smileys that would make no sense in plaintext, like *-D or something.


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I personally would hate to see it added even if it could be
disabled. IMO it would just turn it into a mickey mouse pos
like the IM's are. Colors and background images are about
as far as I would like to see it go. Background images
even are a bit much but at least it's just local. I say NAY
NAY NAY, please keep this crap away. smile

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I agree, especially if it has:

1) The option to enable/disable it.
2) It is only seen as a smily on those clients which have it enabled. Meaning if you don't have smiley's enabled, you see their regular textual representation.

To be honest, I don't care about smileys, I rarely chat, but I don't understand why someone would mind someone else seeing smilies on their screen, if it doesn't affect them.

Like MSN, there you can disable it, well if you disable it, then the other person keeps seeing smileys and you don't, so what's the problem?

mIRC won't go slower if you have it disabled, so that argument is off the table...
Increased file size? I have a very small HD compared to today's standards (40 gb) but I think I have some room left for an mIRC .exe of 3 mb, if it would ever become so big.

It is so ironic:

Computers get faster and faster every year, yet people want to use less and less resources.
Hard drives' capacity gets bigger and bigger every year, yet people are worrying about an .exe of a few mb.

Yes yes, I'm aware not everybody has the newest computer, but even then, 5 years ago my HD was 10 gb, do you think I would have worried about a 3 mb exe file?

Hehe, I know this is an old thread, but hey, what the heck.

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(Assuming smilies were added as an option): Since you can turn smilies off, it doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever except knowing that the client supports smileys.


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knowing it supports similies is enough for me to reconsider using mirc

irc is text based and should REMAIN text based as much as possible, similies is too much

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I think you are confused about the concept IRC vs an IRC Client.

If mIRC supports translation of textual smilies to graphical ones, then this doesn't affect IRC in any way.

The text is already there, it's just mIRC that translates it locally on the client side to a graphical representation. Smilies are widely used when chatting on IRC, whether they are seen locally as an actualy smiley or not doesn't make any difference to the IRC server sending the smiley, or you who has disabled the option.

Let me give you a stupid example:

on ^*:TEXT:*:#: haltdef | echo 4 # $+(<,$nick,>) $1-

This will colour any incoming text on a channel to red. For the IRC server this does not make any difference, and for the other chatters it doesn't either, since this script is local, as in it only colours the text on the screen of the person who has the script installed. It doesn't send out colors to the server, and you don't see the colors either. Just the client, which is what we are talking about.

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It just opens the door for more lamer bs. Then the next thing
ya know, instead of a good, sturdy IRC app, it will be like
playin chutes and ladders or candyland. I say leave it for
the kiddie crap and leave mIRC alone.

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Define lamer bs smirk


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Well let's see, little smiley faces on mIRC, there's a good start.
Oh and let's not forget MTS lol .. what a joke.

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Hey I have an idea for a feature suggestion! Why not make
mIRC like a comic strip? We can have all kinds of stupid
characters and it looks like they're talking to each other.
Won't that be |33t?? To do this we would have to send all
kinds of stupid strings of characters and text that annoys
the hell out of all the people that are using a real IRC
app. Oh! and we can call it Comic Chat!! Oh won't that be
dandy. heh

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I'm always surprised that the people who are against smiley support on mIRC usually don't have any valid argument. So far you haven't mentioned 1 single valid argument.

"lamer bs" is hardly convincing, sorry.

I'm not even really for it, as I don't really care, but if it can make a lot of people happy, and it doesn't change anything to IRC, and I can disable it, so that I'm not confronted with it, then what on earth would I have against it?

Just tell us in a few descriptive decent arguments, how support for smileys, which you can disable so you're never confronted with it, is so bad for you? I'm really curious to read it.


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Again, you don't have to look at smiley faces because they would be optional.

What's wrong with MTS? It lets you create and release themes that don't conflict with other loaded scripts.


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Quote:

on ^*:TEXT:#: haltdef | echo 4 # $+(<,$nick,>) $1-


won't work, your missing matchtext.

No, I am not "confused." The thought of mIRC supporting simlies is very very saddening. It will attract people whos only purpose of using mIRC because of its similies, annoying little kids thinking their leet using mirc because it has similies (enough of those wannabe's on irc already), etc. It opens the door to a whole new generation of idiots, which shouldn't be opened for them to experince IRC, let them stay on their fancy Instant Message clients and rot away there. Call me greedy / selfish / whatever, Similies and m/IRC do not mix and will never mix.

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You're stereotyping everybody that likes smilies as idiots? Great reason not to add smiley support!


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So what if I missed the matchtext? It isn't intended to be of any use other than to get a point accross.

Your whole argument of smilies opening doors for kiddies etc etc. I have news for you: the kiddies are already there, smiley support or not.

And again, you are not seeing anything else than before if this feature is implemented, I simply can't understand this isn't getting through to a couple of people.

Meaning if you see in a channel the smiley : ),
after implementing smiley support, this is going to be the same smiley for you : )

How is this going to bother you more than before when it's the same thing? It's only the kiddies who have it enabled who are gonna see the actual pictures, so why on earth would that bother you?

Can you honestly tell me that you are afraid that once smiley support is added, the channels you reside in are going to be flooded with "kiddies" who use a lot smilies? That sure is a weird way of thinking.

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I don't join channels of those type, let me make myself more clear:

Knowing mIRC supports simlies is lame, I thought I made that clear before, but apparently I didn't.

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No, I am not "confused." The thought of mIRC supporting simlies is very very saddening. It will attract people whos only purpose of using mIRC because of its similies, annoying little kids thinking their leet using mirc because it has similies (enough of those wannabe's on irc already), etc. It opens the door to a whole new generation of idiots, which shouldn't be opened for them to experince IRC, let them stay on their fancy Instant Message clients and rot away there. Call me greedy / selfish / whatever, Similies and mIRC do not mix and will never mix.


I'm not for it either but as I said earlier if it can be switched off there's nothing to argue about. Indeed, it is saddening but it could attract more users, who then register thjeir copy of mIRC which will enable Khaled to go on developing and supporting mIRC.

I really don't think they'd think they're 'leet' just because they can use smilies. I use MSN (not with mIRC for obvious reasons) I constantly use their smilies to express what kind of mood I am in when having to look at posts like these and argue against them. I don't think I am 'leet', I don't think I'll ever be 'leet'. And, I don't want to be 'leet'.

Using smilies don't make you idiots, everyone is an idiot in their own way, hand on my heart I have done idiotic things and I expect most of you have too.

Smilies and mIRC don't mix? Has it ever been added? No, so how could you possibly know if they mix or don't mix?

Don't forget if it's a feature to be added, a few others and myself have said it'd need an on|off switch. And also, if it hadn't occured to you it can also be removed if there are complaints. /setlayer was removed so I'm sure Smiley support can also be removed.

So, call you greedy / selfish? Yes I do, how long has this thread been here? SInce 2003, it must be a popular feature to be added.

* Andy takes a deep breath and sighs.

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Smilies and mIRC don't mix? Has it ever been added? No, so how could you possibly know if they mix or don't mix?


You can script it, so it has been added in a way, i've tried mirc with similies, i'd rather use bitchx than use a client with similies

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Oh! and we can call it Comic Chat!! Oh won't that be dandy. heh


Cool where can I download it from!?!?!?!?!?

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well if these smilies and crap get added, you could
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That's where I thought I downloaded it originally. grin

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Increased file size? I have a very small HD compared to today's standards (40 gb) but I think I have some room left for an mIRC .exe of 3 mb, if it would ever become so big.

It is so ironic:

Computers get faster and faster every year, yet people want to use less and less resources.
Hard drives' capacity gets bigger and bigger every year, yet people are worrying about an .exe of a few mb.

Yes yes, I'm aware not everybody has the newest computer, but even then, 5 years ago my HD was 10 gb, do you think I would have worried about a 3 mb exe file?



Oh, the Joys of youth! My previous computer to this one was a whopping 2Gb. My computer before then had a massive 80Mb drive. I always did like to overestimate what I needed.

Or are you one of these people who goes to buffets/smorgasbords and just piles your plate up even though you are not going to eat it all?

The point is: bloat is bloat. Why puff something up with code that is outside the original concept - a <text> IRC client?

Points agains smiley support:
- to be properly implemented, "special strings" will have to be sent across IRC. If anything addition than >:-{ is needed, then regular users will soon get very annoyed!
- mIRC should continue to look different than IM clients, otherwise it might be confused as an IM client as well as a file trading client.
- The extra code is bound to be the subject of numerous "bug" complaints. That is if it doesn't break something in the process.
- IRC [l]users will start sending smileys all the time just to get graphical pleasure. So much for "Chat".
- Not only will the graphical support be needed in the chat window (that is, mixing graphics with text) but who is going to design the smiley's?
- Will this require multi-text support?

- Finally, if such visually stimuli is needed, then perhaps you can code it. The loading of these scripts is then optional! This solves the best of both worlds - the regular users don't get the bloat and you (and anyone else who wants it) get the smileys!

Of course, what Khaled wants to do with his program is up to him.

Cheers,

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Oh, the Joys of youth! My previous computer to this one was a whopping 2Gb. My computer before then had a massive 80Mb drive. I always did like to overestimate what I needed.

You failed to say how big your current hard drive is. Who cares if the pc before your previous one had only 80 mb? Our old home computer had 20 mb, but who cares, windows wasn't even out yet, so we sure as hell weren't running mIRC, so really, what's your point?

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Or are you one of these people who goes to buffets/smorgasbords and just piles your plate up even though you are not going to eat it all?

When people start with personal insults, it ususally means they are out of arguments. This turned out to be the case:

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The point is: bloat is bloat. Why puff something up with code that is outside the original concept - a <text> IRC client?

This really made me "lol". Code outside the original concept of a <text> IRC client? Maybe you forgot that mIRC has a scripting language, that can do things that have nothing to do with IRC. How do you rhyme that? Should we remove the scripting language as well, because it can and is used a lot for a lot non-IRC related things. I once made a snippet to eject a cd rom drive, this has nothing to do with IRC, so I suppose we should have never allowed COM support to be added. Oh, btw, you know mIRC can play audio files right? What does that have to do with IRC? mIRC has a /run command which lets you run an external app. It has support for picture windows... What does that have to do with IRC? People use sockets to connect to a website and retrieve data. Oh yeah that sounds very IRC related! Quick, someone, tell Khaled to remove all these features, because Darwin Koala says they are not within the original concept of a <text> IRC client. [/sarcasm]

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Oh the horror, 2 mb space taken again! If the option of smilies is disabled (did you read it? disabled) then your mIRC is not going to be any (yes any) slower, since it's disabled. Gotta love those on/off switches.

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- to be properly implemented, "special strings" will have to be sent across IRC. If anything addition than >:-{ is needed, then regular users will soon get very annoyed!

What on earth are you talking about special strings? I don't know if you are aware of it, but smilies are already widely used for years on IRC with all their different textual representations. I don't think we need new strings to represent the smilies we've been using for years. No extra strings are required, no extra load on the IRC server, since it would just be translation of : ) : D : P :] :[ smirk :\ etc etc.

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- mIRC should continue to look different than IM clients, otherwise it might be confused as an IM client as well as a file trading client

What? Who is to say what mIRC should continue to look like? So what if an IM client supports smilies. Smilies have become a big part of your every day textual communication, you could consider it as a little language where different signs have a different meaning. When you use a smiley, you communicate something, that sounds IRC related, don't you think? Especially since it's already like that for soo many years. grin I often put one smiley at the end of the sentence, to denote how the sentence should be interpreted. After all, in text based communication it is harder to know how you should interpret a sentence, whereas in oral communication, the intonation and tone of the person saying something, gives a lot of "meta" information about the text. Smilies are my meta-information when I chat, whether that be on IRC, MSN, or when sending an sms to a friend with my cell phone.

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- The extra code is bound to be the subject of numerous "bug" complaints. That is if it doesn't break something in the process.

I don't know if you have ever went through the versions.txt, but you'll see that every release is full of bugfixes with a couple of new features introduced. Some versions are even nothing but bugfixes. *G* introducing smiley support in mIRC might cause bug complaints? What else is new?

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IRC [l]users will start sending smileys all the time just to get graphical pleasure. So much for "Chat".

Uh, I'm confused here, aren't people already using smilies? The difference now is that they'd see it as actual smilies, while you continue to see their textual representation. Oh but you're saying they will use more smilies as before? I can imagine that with a few people, but I also realise it doesn't take long to /ignore someone, and if you're an op /ban someone for excessive use of smilies. If you want I'll give you a small code to detect excessive repeating of smilies, so that it'll be very easy to catch grin

So much for chat? Well the fact that mIRC is being widely used for file serving must surely tick you off, you ought to start a petition to remove DCC from mIRC so that it can't be abused for mass file trading. Oh wait, but didn't Khaled say that sending files is part of communication like pictures of friends etc. and that he doesn't like that it is abused, but that it's no reason to remove DCC support from mIRC. Hmm I smell a parallel logic, do you?

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Not only will the graphical support be needed in the chat window (that is, mixing graphics with text) but who is going to design the smiley's?

Huh? What kind of argument is that? Of course it's mixed with text, where else would the smilies be visible? You are worried about who is going to design the smilies? smirk

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Will this require multi-text support?

Multi-text support?

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Finally, if such visually stimuli is needed, then perhaps you can code it. The loading of these scripts is then optional! This solves the best of both worlds - the regular users don't get the bloat and you (and anyone else who wants it) get the smileys!

Uh, everyone in this thread agrees that it should be optional, so what's your point? What is this bloat you keep referring to if it is disabled. Think of it as a script, you've made a huge bloated script, which is captured in between #groups. Well you disable the #group, and guess what? mIRC ignores the code between the #groups, cool huh?


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If the option of smilies is disabled (did you read it? disabled) then your mIRC is not going to be any (yes any) slower, since it's disabled. Gotta love those on/off switches.

There will have to be some kind of if statement to determine the state of that switch...

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What on earth are you talking about special strings?

I think he means a special way (some strange characters or so) to prevent "item : price" showing up like "item :tongue:rice", or reducing the likelihood of such occurrences.

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Huh? What kind of argument is that? Of course it's mixed with text, where else would the smilies be visible?

A channel window is not a picwin in mIRC 6.16, not because Khaled actively refuses us the possibility to draw lines all over our backlog, but because it's a lot easier and faster to code and to execute that code. Scrolling back in some channels where people drown their messages in color codes is already slow on my computer, I'm afraid graphics will not improve that.

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Think of it as a script, you've made a huge bloated script, which is captured in between #groups. Well you disable the #group, and guess what? mIRC ignores the code between the #groups, cool huh?

mIRC still needs to parse everything in the file, otherwise it won't find the end of the #group and anything behind it that's not disabled. If I send you to a big stadium or a big concert and tell you to only do something when you see some specific person, you're not doing nothing before you see him, you'll have your hands (eyes?) full checking every person to see if it's the one...


Conclusion: I'm not in favor of the suggestion, but since it's a lot of work for Khaled I don't think it'll appear soon anyways.

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There will have to be some kind of if statement to determine the state of that switch...


A single /if statement is completely unnoticeable (Speed-wise) by todays standards.

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I think he means a special way (some strange characters or so) to prevent "item : price" showing up like "item :tongue:rice", or reducing the likelihood of such occurrences.


There's no need for that, most people that use smileys learn how to type out each smiley (Eg: :tongue: is : p), so they'll know item :tongue:rice is item: price anyway.

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A channel window is not a picwin in mIRC 6.16, not because Khaled actively refuses us the possibility to draw lines all over our backlog, but because it's a lot easier and faster to code and to execute that code. Scrolling back in some channels where people drown their messages in color codes is already slow on my computer, I'm afraid graphics will not improve that.


So you would be one of the people that don't have smiley support turned on. wink


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There will have to be some kind of if statement to determine the state of that switch...

Tell me you're not serious. Wow yeah that extra if statement is enough reason not to implement it because it'll slow down mIRC!!! Even in the scripting language, doing 1 if statement for a switch is instant, I'm thinking a compiled if statement is even faster. Please...

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I think he means a special way (some strange characters or so) to prevent "item : price" showing up like "item rice", or reducing the likelihood of such occurrences.

I know what he means, and my reply to him is that it's simply not necessary. So what if item:price will transform : p in a smiley? This is just the same in MSN, and is one of those things a person will have to cope with if they have smilies enabled. But this is of no importance to you, since you won't enable smilies anyway, so what do you care?

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A channel window is not a picwin in mIRC 6.16, not because Khaled actively refuses us the possibility to draw lines all over our backlog, but because it's a lot easier and faster to code and to execute that code. Scrolling back in some channels where people drown their messages in color codes is already slow on my computer, I'm afraid graphics will not improve that.

No doubt, scrolling back would slow down the computers, but once again, that is IF you have smilies enabled. If you don't like that it slows down the screen when scrolling, then don't enable smilies, what's so hard about that to understand?

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mIRC still needs to parse everything in the file, otherwise it won't find the end of the #group and anything behind it that's not disabled. If I send you to a big stadium or a big concert and tell you to only do something when you see some specific person, you're not doing nothing before you see him, you'll have your hands (eyes?) full checking every person to see if it's the one...

Haha, the only thing to remember from my example is that if you have it disabled, the overhead will be minimum, not worthy to debate over even. Besides the concert example is hardly relevant. When the parser finds the first #group off, it just has to go line by line sequentially checking for the first word being #group, that's hardly intensive is it? Definitely not the same as dropping a person in some concert in the middle of a lot of people....

Here's a quick example:

In my main mIRC folder i have the entire versions.txt which is 10069 lines long, total of 464770 bytes.
We do a search for the text "First public release" which is the last string in the entire file.

//var %a = $ticks | .fopen versions versions.txt | .fseek -w versions First public release. | echo -a Time taken: $calc($ticks - %a) * Position in file: $fopen(versions).pos | .fclose versions

Time taken: 15 * Position in file: 464745

Result: It took 15 milliseconds on my computer grin and I can imagine this working even faster in compiled code. That's some overhead!!!! [/sarcasm]


Let's just ask Khaled to stop putting in new features, that way we are sure no extra if comparisons are necessary, so that mIRC doesn't get slower anymore!!!

Wow sarcasm galore :tongue:

PS: I don't know if you've ever used Klient (which does support smilies, or atleast last time I used it), but look what the author has to say about smilies and speed concerns:

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A few people have made comments about the speed. So, I'll comment that Klient does not parse anything as it is displayed. Everything is parsed once, when the line is first added (then perhaps later if options are changed and it has to re-parse display $masks, etc.). Its pretty efficient, and parsing for smilies is no worse than parsing for color codes, http hyperlinks, etc.

So, don't worry too much about the speed; it couldn't possibly be noticed by a human even if it were enabled (and it would be even less noticeable if it was disabled!)

Of course Klient and mIRC are two different IRC clients, but don't give people the impression it's going to cause heavy overload, when it is proven it can be programmed in a way where this isn't the case.


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* It depends on how it's done, a single /if on mIRC startup is unnoticable, having to check it every line/byte might be noticable...

* It will always give trouble, either those darn images show up in all the wrong places, or people who didn't enable smilies get confronted with (L) (U) (@) (so) etc meaning all the weirdest stuff...

* I probably wasn't clear enough about the picwin situation. If mIRC has standard support for images in chat, all channel windows will become picwins. It would be too time consuming to support, maintain and update both the normal channel windows and picwins for channels for all releases, so the 'old' one will be dumped. This means that even if you turn those images off, you're still using a picwin. This means using some higher level programming language equivalent of /drawtext for all text, plus the conversion of all displaying in mIRC (/echo).

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* It depends on how it's done, a single /if on mIRC startup is unnoticable, having to check it every line/byte might be noticable...


I doubt it would use an /if on each byte, it would most likely use an /if on each line which wouldn't be too bad.

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* It will always give trouble, either those darn images show up in all the wrong places, or people who didn't enable smilies get confronted with (L) (U) (@) (so) etc meaning all the weirdest stuff...


I thought about that, that's why I suggested the default smiley set making sense for people with smileys disabled (Scroll up), no stupid stuff like *-p should be a smiley.

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* I probably wasn't clear enough about the picwin situation. If mIRC has standard support for images in chat, all channel windows will become picwins. It would be too time consuming to support, maintain and update both the normal channel windows and picwins for channels for all releases, so the 'old' one will be dumped. This means that even if you turn those images off, you're still using a picwin. This means using some higher level programming language equivalent of /drawtext for all text, plus the conversion of all displaying in mIRC (/echo).


Just to be pedantic; just about every window on your pc can be drawn on if you create a compatible device context for it, so therefore everything is a picture window.

According to /help text copy and paste (See below) mIRC already uses a "Graphical window" for channel windows, etc, if this is true, it most likely uses TextOut() to print text already.

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The use of color in mIRC means that a simple text box cannot be used since text boxes can display only plain text (and they also have other limitations).However, text boxes also have built in cut/copy/paste routines which unfortunately are unavailable to a graphic window. This means that I had to code the mark/copy routine myself. I'm not sure which ran out first, my patience or my programming ability :-)


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Well I'm sure it does, otherwise would you be able
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kiddie crap like this. But what will be will be, I wouldn't
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You can add a background image to a normal editbox/listbox/button/etc by using GDI.

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This is why mIRC makes learning a real programming language so hard, it makes a normal user assume that picture windows are actually a special type of window when they're actually no different to simple dialogs, the only thing that's different is the way mIRC implements them. wink

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I don't really see why this thread was restarted, it was totally unnecessary and it's only contributed to yet another excessively long thread that repeats points of view described by several users in the past, including those that have posted here too!

I totally appreciate that conversation and debating on these boards regarding mIRC features is acceptable and indeed encouraged, but to be perfectly honest all I see now is arrogant attitudes and pointless bit-by-bit breakdowns of the last poster which will go on and on and on...

There are clearly two points of view on this topic, both being valid. Those that say people against Emoticons have "no reason" for being against them are incorrect, I see totally where they are coming from even if they do have difficulty articulating their point of view (or perhaps the pro-emoticon people have difficulty interpreting it?) However, emoticon supporters also have a point. Nevertheless, points above and more have been posted numerous times before, which was the point of a sticky post being made about this particular suggestion.

All you need to do is read and wait for the next major version or two, whereby you'll likely have a fairly good view of whether emoticons are going to be added or not.

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I think people are to stuff in their ways, fundamentalists of a sort. I think for MIRC to flourish eventually new features will need to be added. They don't have to be used but having them as "Official plugins" would be useful. So like when you install MIRC it has those on/off boxes so you don't have to install these plugins with it. Myabe something along the lines of.

1) Foreign language packs

2) Smilie packs

3) Xdcc browser (although with the official line on file sharing this is unlikely)

4) Pictures that go with registered accounts, like what cheeta chat added to Yahoo messenger (my sister used it, that actually is the truth but sounds so lame it hurts)

5) That easy script designer that is in the process of being made.

6) Easy video and voice chat

) Out of the box ideas... for instance I heard that Second Life uses some kind of mozilla implementation in it's engine.

But the key idea is *** You aren't forced to install anything you don't want to so that the purists don't complain

Any ideas or comments?

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If you support certain feature suggestions, you should say so on the posts about those specific features. Commenting on them all in this thread isn't likely to get much notice.

And, do try to keep your opinions on what others believe to yourself. If you don't agree with someone, that's fine. However, there is no need for name calling or criticizing those who have differing opinions.

Personally, 1 and 5 are useful additions for people. For the rest, I've made my opinions known in other threads and won't get into it here. Feel free to read those other threads.

And, as a final comment... You're right that 3 will most likely never happen. XDCC is used almost exclusively for warez/movies/mp3s these days. Support of XDCC in any way is not very likely.


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i think the issue here is, if they come 'packaged' in the installer, it can be argued that mIRC would therefore be supporting those addons in some way shape or form. Now, from here on in, Khaled has had a very tight watch on everything that goes into his program, as the only developer on the project (besides Tjerk for the help file documentation). The problem with supporting these addons is that, as with any addon from an anonymous source, you really can't guarantee the stability of those addons (in future versions). You can say that Khaled is a bit of a control freak here, with reason. The more addons you have in a program from different sources, the higher the risk of another exploit in the program-- something he surely does not want. Sure, Khaled can mess up and put bugs into his own program, but atleast he knows that who is responsible, etc. There is therefore really no need to go through the headache of a possible 'mishap', when the other option is very simple: Allow the user to find/install the addons himself, releasing [most of] the responsibility of a faulty script from the hands of Khaled himself. And this solution is very simple indeed with things like search engines.


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Re: Calm down #30179 22/02/06 08:58 PM
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Sorry to bump this thread - I got pointed here by the sticky thread on the front page.

I'm also a purist who believes text is text. I use plain text in e-mail whenever possible, don't like graphics intensive web sites, and disable graphical smileys in my IM clients. I would therefore never ever enable such a feature in mIRC (I use good ol' Merlin because I'm visually impaired and he helps me by reading the text out loud). However, I have no problem with people who would enable it themselves - personal choice. But please do not put in in the main installer!!

If you bload the main exe file by 3 meg, you'll likely bloat the installer package (Which I have to download) by up to 3 meg as well - especially if you're going to include default bmp or gif files as well. An extra 3 meg will eat into my usage cap on ADSL, and/or take extra time to download on my dial-up line - which costs money.
You people in the states who all have super-fast uncapped DSL/Cable connections seem to forget what it's like in a third world country where one way or the other you pay for every bit you download. frown

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You people in the states who all have super-fast uncapped DSL/Cable connections seem to forget what it's like in a third world country where one way or the other you pay for every bit you download.


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Re: Graphical 'smilie' support in mIRC #30181 25/05/06 02:21 AM
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personnally I still don't see the point to have graphical smileys in an IRC client. IRC is text so why add ugly gfx?

all chat programs I have (trillian/certain webchats I hardly ever use) I always disable the smileys because I think they are ugly and you can express so much better by ASCII :-] they always screw up your sentences too :-[ (like: (17:08) make the last 2 chars a 'cool smiley' for instance...)


Have you ever notice how people who are agains implementing emoticons, always reffere to them as "smileys" ..

HEY PEOPLE!?

smile <-- smiley.. (yes..)


:tongue: <-- smiley!? (yes, but FGS no!)

emoticons are used to show your emotions..
"fake" body language..

etc..


not to "smile" ..

(not only..)


Just wanted to make this "point" .. wink


I do not speak English. I speak Norwegian. So please bear with my poor English spelling and grammar.
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