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#144196 - 07/03/06 08:27 AM Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
ronaldst Offline
Bowl of petunias

Registered: 07/03/06
Posts: 2
Somehow the hide ping? pong? option in mIRC 6.17 doesnt work. Clean install of mIRC 6.17, option enabled, and they still show up in my status window.

Is it just me or is it a bug in the new version?

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#144197 - 07/03/06 09:34 AM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
Khaled Offline


Planetary brain

Registered: 04/12/02
Posts: 4449
Loc: London, UK
The Hide Ping Pong? option works fine for me in 6.17. Have you tested this in a clean install of mIRC? Are you using scripts that may be interfering?

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#144198 - 08/03/06 03:46 AM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
heidel Offline
Self-satisified door

Registered: 08/03/06
Posts: 3
I too have noticed these PONG events occuring since my upgrade to mIRC 6.17. Here are the finds of my investigation:

Normally, the server itself sends PING commands in certain intervals to each of its clients to determine their presence. mIRC properly answers these with the PONG response.

Code:
  <- PING :irc.inet.tele.dk
  -> irc.inet.tele.dk PONG :irc.inet.tele.dk


The problem I experienced is caused by the following PING command, which mIRC occasionally sends to the server:

Code:
  -> irc.inet.tele.dk PING :TIMEOUTCHECK
  <- :irc.inet.tele.dk PONG irc.inet.tele.dk :heidel


Why mIRC sends these I have no idea, I can only speculate. Here's my theory:

I use an IRC bouncer named psyBNC and this bouncer does not forward the server's PING messages to the client but answers them itself.

But since there is constant traffic on my IRC connection from the bouncer, one would assume, mIRC considers the connection "alive". However, every few hours mIRC sends the aforementioned PING command to the server. And the following PONG response is obviously not being affected by the "Hide Ping? Pong! event" option.

Also, I have no idea as to why this has never happened to me with mIRC 6.16.

Here's a scripted workaround to keep mIRC from outputting the default PONG event text:

Code:
  on ^1:PONG:haltdef


Regards,
heidel

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#144199 - 08/03/06 04:12 AM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
genius_at_work Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 1741
It might have something to do with the fact that your BNC (or the server) isn't replying with the correct PONG data. Typically, the computer sending the PONG is supposed to return the same data that the client is sending in its PING.

In your sample:
-> irc.inet.tele.dk PING :TIMEOUTCHECK
<- :irc.inet.tele.dk PONG irc.inet.tele.dk :heidel

mIRC is sending :TIMEOUTCHECK as its data, however the BNC/server is replying with :heidel (presumably your nickname). I imagine that mIRC sends that PING, and then sets up an internal PONG /halt for a reply that contains :TIMEOUTCHECK. Since the BNC/server isn't replying with that data, the PONG isn't being blocked by mIRC. If I am correct about this, then I doubt that Khaled will alter the behaviour of mIRC since your BNC/server isn't responding in accordance with the IRC protocol.

-genius_at_work

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#144200 - 08/03/06 06:50 AM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
heidel Offline
Self-satisified door

Registered: 08/03/06
Posts: 3
Initially I also thought of this possibility and went to consult RFC 1459 about the PING/PONG commands. I didn't see written anywhere, that the IRC daemon needs to return the exact data given in the PING.

Anyway, the main reason I posted about this problem was my confusion, that it seemingly occurred with mIRC 6.17 out of the blue.

I guess we'll see if Khaled can or even want to take a look at this. I could live with the workaround. And since this mIRC/psyBNC issue is documented on the messageboard now, others can find it easily. smile

Regards,
heidel

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#144201 - 08/03/06 09:10 AM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
Khaled Offline


Planetary brain

Registered: 04/12/02
Posts: 4449
Loc: London, UK
Quote:
The problem I experienced is caused by the following PING command, which mIRC occasionally sends to the server:

Code:
  -&gt; irc.inet.tele.dk PING :TIMEOUTCHECK
  &lt;- :irc.inet.tele.dk PONG irc.inet.tele.dk :heidel

Why mIRC sends these I have no idea, I can only speculate.

See item 28 in versions.txt regarding the new connect timeout option in the connection/options dialog.

If mIRC sends a PING with a parameter, it expects a PONG response with that parameter. This is meant to be standard PING/PONG behaviour. If your bouncer is intercepting the message and is not replying correctly, then mIRC will not work.

This also affects the flood protection feature which uses the same method in mIRC 6.17, and explains why users are saying the flood protection is not working.

mIRC only sends a PING timeout check when there has been no activity for some time.

mIRC hides PINGs sent to you from the server, not PONGs that are due to you sending a PING to the server (where you would expect to see a reply). These are different messages entirely.

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#144202 - 08/03/06 03:42 PM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
genius_at_work Offline
Hoopy frood

Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 1741
Woo! 1 point for me! laugh

-genius_at_work

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#144203 - 08/03/06 07:03 PM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
heidel Offline
Self-satisified door

Registered: 08/03/06
Posts: 3
That explains a lot, d'oh! blush I completely forgot the obvious to check versions.txt on this matter, sorry. So thank you even more for your in-depth explanation.

Regards,
heidel

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#144204 - 10/03/06 09:43 AM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
ronaldst Offline
Bowl of petunias

Registered: 07/03/06
Posts: 2
Thanks a lot for looking into this!

I'm using psyBNC for all IRC use, and with some testing it does seem like the option in settings does work as long as I'm not connecting through psyBNC.

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#144205 - 20/03/06 07:08 PM Re: Hide PING? PONG? event option - doesnt work!
Sephiroth_ Offline
Fjord artisan

Registered: 26/10/03
Posts: 214
Loc: Germany, Ulmen
Is it possible to add a "Fix" for psyBNC to use the old method?
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