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Re: Webcam #100437 17/10/04 08:53 PM
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You don't know if it will be just a few extra lines. You don't know if it will be noticeably slower or not.
You just know that it WILL be bigger, and slower...


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Re: Webcam #100438 17/10/04 08:58 PM
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Mentality, if you want, you can find an answer in my other posts on this subject. I have nothing more to say.
And let Khaled deside, and then I will see that new mirc (if he deside to add webcamera) and deside if I will use it, but that has nothing to do with any other people, it's my personal problem. AND THAT'S NOT A REASON FOR KHALED NOT TO ADD WEBCAMERA IF HE WANT'S TO, it's my personal desicion.

I said it will not be primary text based client anymore (MSN is not primary text based client) and mirc is.

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Re: Webcam #100439 17/10/04 10:10 PM
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Wait, if mIRC is a text based program, then why is there dcc, picture windows, dialogs, sockets, and scripting?

Re: Webcam #100440 17/10/04 10:21 PM
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Do you want to say that mirc is not primary, globaly a text based program? That it main purpose is not text based chat? shocked


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Re: Webcam #100441 17/10/04 11:12 PM
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Your arguement is flawed. You don't want to see a webcam feature added, but you will gladly use other features that aren't text based.

Re: Webcam #100442 17/10/04 11:21 PM
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Please read all other posts in this topic before writing your own post, especially posts on this (second) page.


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Re: Webcam #100443 17/10/04 11:55 PM
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if webcam support is added, the mirc WILL continue being a text based client, because MOST of people will use it only for text chatting.
it's like a addon for video streaming (that actually is possible with some dlls); but, will create a standard for this, that a addon cannot create. the size added or the speed lost will be insignificant, because it's a module that will be loaded only when needed and IMHO it's a simple code.


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Re: Webcam #100444 18/10/04 12:01 AM
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...but generally it is/was text based client, so in my oppinion if you add webcamera to it, people will not use it for "text chating" and it will no longer be primary text based irc client and he always was that with features that are already added to it.

That's what I think.
Also from my other post.
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You don't know if it will be just a few extra lines. You don't know if it will be noticeably slower or not.
You just know that it WILL be bigger, and slower...

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Re: Webcam #100445 18/10/04 12:09 AM
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-silly shouting and childish comment removed-

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Re: Webcam #100446 18/10/04 12:14 AM
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Some people, when they don't know anything smart to say they just show everybody how stupid they are.


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Re: Webcam #100447 18/10/04 12:15 AM
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...but generally it is/was text based client, so in my oppinion if you add webcamera to it, people will not use it for "text chating" and it will no longer be primary text based irc client and he always was that with features that are already added to it.

- But if the video streams go through DCC then people must first be on IRC to initiate the them. It's extremely unlikely that people would bother doing all that if they only intended to use mIRC for the video streaming capability, instead they'd use a program with that explicit purpose. Even if they did use it for that one purpose, so what? How someone else uses the client doesn't affect you.


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You don't know if it will be just a few extra lines. You don't know if it will be noticeably slower or not.
You just know that it WILL be bigger, and slower...

- Why would it be slower? If the code for video streaming isn't being executed (ie. a video stream isn't occurring) then it's not slowing down anything. Unless you mean the microseconds added to the startup time. As for size, who cares? So the installer becomes an extra 5KB larger, I think people will cope with the 'bloat'.


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Re: Webcam #100448 18/10/04 12:17 AM
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Good to know, -edit-

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Re: Webcam #100449 18/10/04 12:20 AM
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Good job, well done.


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Re: Webcam #100450 18/10/04 12:23 AM
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Thanks. Now please read starbucks_mafia's latest post.

Re: Webcam #100451 18/10/04 12:25 AM
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Thanks.

No problem, any time.


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Re: Webcam #100452 18/10/04 12:37 AM
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Now please read starbucks_mafia's latest post.


Do that then comment.

Re: Webcam #100453 18/10/04 01:38 AM
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this post becomes interesting to read ^^

Re: Webcam #100454 18/10/04 05:48 AM
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Why did you attack my post out-of-context? My full quote is:
[A really big problem in projects is the desire of "customers" to "gold-plate" .... .
Thus, every feature suggestion would have to be looked at - to see if it really adds to the intent of the product, or if it is just gold-plating.]

I never said that products should never have more features added.

And 90% of the scripting language (no - 99%) is based on text-based features. And those features (non-text) that have been added do, sometimes, enhance the text-based chat. And some other times they are used for other purposes. Fine. Good to see some people looking outside the box.

If you read on, I did highlight how WebCam support could be provided outside of mIRC, but in a fashion that is in concert with mIRC.

But the streamed content should not be sent in a sub-protocol of a sub-protocol. Why not stream the content in its own protocol, in parallel with the IRC chat?

So rather than bloat mIRC with some "gold-plate", why not engineer a way to use two optimised applications in parallel.

If you are going to debate any of the points I raise, then please have the courtesy to debate them in context.

Cheers

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Re: Webcam #100455 18/10/04 06:03 AM
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General reply: There is discussion, then there is insulting and pointless posting. All people are entitled to their own opinion no matter what their reasons.

nalAAlan: Please do not start arguments or insult others, you've been warned before.

Apologies to those people that truly want to discuss Webcam support, however, this thread is in fast decline and is being filled with useless posts, therefore, it's been locked.

Regards,


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