oh i wasnt saying it isnt in mirc, all i trying to say, is those icons can be lost quite easy, i dont think a program controls them after there there, more like it sets up a link back to mirc from explorer, wave the mouse over it and the links used to trigger this or that in the program. Since its not a regualar thing, maybe mircs doing what it should do each time, but explorer looses track, i well say mircs tray icon is quite an active one, most of them just sit there with no animation.