no, what i want and have is an editbox, i'da thought an editbox was used for editing data, you cant type in a listbox....trust me, i know what i want, this isnt a question of that, its a question of the limit of text/lines in the editbox, which i dont see any valid reason for a limit, and would like to see a way around it or something, prolly none, but thats why i'm asking!