all web-traffic is subject to packet sniffers and all kinda good stuff, which is why almost all websites made the move to https://, especially for logins. Also, it appears half the battles already done, /sockopen has -e to use SSL for connecting to a location securely. Looking around at using SSL in standard listening sockets in C++ doesn't look like it's a huge burden either. I just think it'd be a good addition for whatever the usage case may be to have it an option, and as for the point? Well, that sounds to me like you lost your spark smile Why does anybody code stuff in mSL? For me it's the enjoyment. To think I can, and then to prove it to myself it's possible! smile