ok i have several checks i do using the IAL on join, any event you use to do an autojoin scripted be it raw, on connect, on login, etc.. all those get executed before mirc passes the PROTOCTL for like namesx and uhnames, upon joining these channels you are returned the old style /names listing with no nick!user@host information making my ial checks fail. dependong on latency issues, a simple timer doesn't always fix this problem so, using debug to an identifier i have corrected my autojoin issue but it would be nice if i didn't haveto use this method to find out what protocols mirc is using in conjunction with the server it is connected to.