just not thinking in socket terms
so what he needs if i have this straight

either
msg $nick $iif($sockerr,$false,$true - $sock($sockname).ip)

or

notice $nick $iif($sockerr,$false,$true - $sock($sockname).ip)

right?
i had some mental kneejerk reaction to associate an error with false
i understand now though

as always your taking the time to straighten me out is appreciated